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| Quote ="hull2524"me thinks theres more eddie tham edith ? as for mcdonnell good fb and would love him at fc,'"
What u saying Edith is eddie from HDM
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| Quote ="gingerspice"What u saying Edith is eddie from HDM
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Cant be eddie eddie changes is name every day just about and he is nuts he would have been band of here weeks ago see sense
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"Cant be eddie eddie changes is name every day just about and he is nuts he would have been band of here weeks ago see sense
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It's not me saying it is it u see sense read the post from the fc fan
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| sorry ginger for getting u into trouble, what i meant was is edith all she appears to be? if you get my meaning, might be wrong but dont think so
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| Quote ="hull2524"sorry ginger for getting u into trouble, what i meant was is edith all she appears to be? if you get my meaning, might be wrong but dont think so'"
Ah just a misunderstanding from cravenpark1 I'm sure when he re-reads it hel realise
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Ah just a misunderstanding from cravenpark1 I'm sure when he re-reads it hel realise
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i am sorry to ginge I read it wrong has well,I stopped going on hull daily mail site because of eddies rattling on has i said he is a trit
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| If the reports are true (apparently on RH this morning) and SM is signing for FC then the 'reaction' on Friday won't be pretty.
In fact, and bearing in mind the importance of keeping momentum going, IMO there is a distinct possibility the reaction will affect the whole team and act in the Dragons favour, which is why I suggest SM be dropped for the game - a sort of cooling off period.
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| Quote ="Paul T - HKR"If the reports are true (apparently on RH this morning) and SM is signing for FC then the 'reaction' on Friday won't be pretty.
In fact, and bearing in mind the importance of keeping momentum going, IMO there is a distinct possibility the reaction will affect the whole team and act in the Dragons favour, which is why I suggest SM be dropped for the game - a sort of cooling off period.'"
For goodness' sake. If it's true, it's simply a case of Rovers providing him with a shop window and FC paying a fair market value. Why vilify the player?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"For goodness' sake. If it's true, it's simply a case of Rovers providing him with a shop window and FC paying a fair market value. Why vilify the player?
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Being selective again I see or did you just miss the 'substancial increase' part?
Before you say it yes he was undervalued on his current deal but I haven't read 'substancially undervalued' anywhere.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"For goodness' sake. If it's true, it's simply a case of Rovers providing him with a shop window and FC paying a fair market value. Why vilify the player?
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Cos that's what rugby fans do although cookie was ur player for a few years and hadn't signed a new contract did that make all the fc fans go and pat him on his back and say well done cookie great move er no so there is ur answer mrs b I can expect a positive outcome from this from kr as Roops says there is one better than Mcdonnell and looks like hel be free next season
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Being selective again I see or did you just miss the 'considerable increase' part?
Before you say it yes he was undervalued on his current deal but I haven't read 'considerably undervalued' anywhere.'"
But he clearly wasn't undervalued when negotiated his 1 year deal at Rovers - he was a virtual unknown at that point but selected a one year term because [uhe[/u believed he was worth more and wanted to make a career of it here. Half a season later he's in the Exiles squad and you've got threads with the majority of Rovers fans extremely keen to retain him. His market value has obviously substantially increased in a competition with few good FBs. FC sound like they are willing to reflect this in a deal. Rovers either don't think he's worth it or can't afford it. Not sure what selectivity I'm applying here TBH.
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Cos that's what rugby fans do although cookie was ur player for a few years and hadn't signed a new contract did that make all the fc fans go and pat him on his back and say well done cookie great move er no so there is ur answer mrs b I can expect a positive outcome from this from kr as Roops says there is one better than Mcdonnell and looks like hel be free next season'"
A bit different, but thats been done to death.
There's a lot of Newcastle's squad available.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"But he clearly wasn't undervalued when negotiated his 1 year deal at Rovers - he was a virtual unknown at that point but selected a one year term because [uhe[/u believed he was worth more and wanted to make a career of it here. Half a season later he's in the Exiles squad and you've got threads with the majority of Rovers fans extremely keen to retain him. His market value has obviously substantially increased in a competition with few good FBs. FC sound like they are willing to reflect this in a deal. Rovers either don't think he's worth it or can't afford it. Not sure what selectivity I'm applying here TBH.'"
That for once is a good post I think it's the latter I don't think we want to throw silly money at players anymore I can see the positives and the negatives in this we have lost a decent player in Mcdonnell just hope for rovers sake next season they're not doing it on the mega mega cheap cos that ain't gonna go down well for season passes next year.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"But he clearly wasn't undervalued when negotiated his 1 year deal at Rovers - he was a virtual unknown at that point but selected a one year term because [uhe[/u believed he was worth more and wanted to make a career of it here. Half a season later he's in the Exiles squad and you've got threads with the majority of Rovers fans extremely keen to retain him. His market value has obviously substantially increased in a competition with few good FBs. FC sound like they are willing to reflect this in a deal. Rovers either don't think he's worth it or can't afford it. Not sure what selectivity I'm applying here TBH.'"
Even though it was documented that the deal was undervalue with an aim to get a increase for 2013 you mean?
I know it's hard for you to accept you may have had to pay above market value because you were so desperate for a FB what with yours going home but try not to take it out on us.
I do now wonder what you are paying captain pringle and Gentle though seeing as there signing policy seems to be 'What are HKR doing?'(Paea, Lovegrove, Watts, Taylor, McDonnell) maybe Sandercock should ask for a consultation fee.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"A bit different, but thats been done to death.
There's a lot of Newcastle's squad available.'"
Ano it's a shame that sherriff isn't ready yet, that was just an example Sheldon of how it makes fans feel on the opposite side of the rivers when a player swaps over.
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Ano it's a shame that sherriff isn't ready yet, that was just an example Sheldon of how it makes fans feel on the opposite side of the rivers when a player swaps over.'"
You didn't use Hall or Hodgson, players who left after seeing out their deals.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"You didn't use Hall or Hodgson, players who left after seeing out their deals.'"
Like I said there are fans on both sides who don't like players swapping over I like Mcdonnell but am hoping we can replace him,I don't blame the board for not paying masses of amounts of money to get the player to join our club which has happened in the past and we've still got the players to prove it however I agree with giving a player what they're worth.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Even though it was documented that the deal was undervalue with an aim to get a increase for 2013 you mean?
I know it's hard for you to accept you may have had to pay above market value because you were so desperate for a FB what with yours going home but try not to take it out on us.
I do now wonder what you are paying captain pringle and Gentle though seeing as there signing policy seems to be 'What are HKR doing?'(Paea, Lovegrove, Watts, Taylor, McDonnell) maybe Sandercock should ask for a consultation fee.'"
So you're saying Rovers offer for 2013 was 'fair market value' and we've paid above that to secure his services?
How about this one - Shannon has come over and (in the last 2 months at least) performed to a level of which Rovers can't afford to retain him, and he's crossed the river to get his 'fair market value'?
Both equally possible.
2nd part of your post just seems bitter, tbh.
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| 80K?
Possibly at the top end of his worth, but not astronomical. I trust Sandercock has some better value up his sleeve, cos I'm not sure McDonnell was worth that.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So you're saying Rovers offer for 2013 was 'fair market value' and we've paid above that to secure his services?
How about this one - Shannon has come over and (in the last 2 months at least) performed to a level of which Rovers can't afford to retain him, and he's crossed the river to get his 'fair market value'?
Both equally possible.
2nd part of your post just seems bitter, tbh.'"
I didn't say that but if you are struggling I'll help you out the key word is 'undervalue'
That isn't 'considerably undervalued' though so when the quote is 'considerably more' work it out for yourself.
As for your point about being bitter please don't flatter yourself but I do however find it funny that a super coach such as Gentle seems to have the approach so far of 'what are HKR doing'.
So much for us being of little interest and not worth bothering with eh!
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"As for your point about being bitter please don't flatter yourself but I do however find it funny that a super coach such as Gentle seems to have the approach so far of 'what are HKR doing'.
So much for us being of little interest and not worth bothering with eh!'"
Yeah, 'what are HKR doing' was Gentle's first thought when signing Gareth Ellis, also with Joe Arundel.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"I didn't say that but if you are struggling I'll help you out the key word is 'undervalue'
That isn't 'considerably undervalued' though so when the quote is 'considerably more' work it out for yourself.
As for your point about being bitter please don't flatter yourself but I do however find it funny that a super coach such as Gentle seems to have the approach so far of 'what are HKR doing'.
So much for us being of little interest and not worth bothering with eh!'"
It's posts like this (from a moderator no less) that make it hard for us as a group of fans to shake off the 'small club mentality' tag.
Grow up & lose the bitterness.
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| Dissapointed that he's going and especialy accross the river, it has also reafirmed my belief that its best to wait for the facts to emmerge rather than put your trust in rumours no matter where they come from.
I just hope that rovers have someone very capable in mind who can fill the position otherwise i fear that some of the good work could be undone, there are some fickle fans out there who might start to think, oh well if thats the amitions of the club then i wont renew my pass and we all know those type of fans do exist on both side of the divide.
In my opinion Hull fc have aqquired a good fullback at our expense and i also think he will get even better, they (Hull) are obviously making a statement of intent of where they want to go next season with this and other signings they are apparently making.
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| I think Shannon McDonnell has done really well, but even in these times of diminishing availability of quality, I don't think he qualifies as a statement of intent. Tbf, Hull have made that already with Gareth Ellis.
I said on the other forum that McDonnell is good but hardly irreplaceable - we gain a non-fed spot, if nothing else.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I think Shannon McDonnell has done really well, but even in these times of diminishing availability of quality, I don't think he qualifies as a statement of intent. Tbf, Hull have made that already with Gareth Ellis.
I said on the other forum that McDonnell is good but hardly irreplaceable - we gain a non-fed spot, if nothing else.'"
No one is realy irreplaceable in litteral sense of the word i aggree but, the fact that we are not prepared to pay certain sums of money for players reduces our options in the player market somewhat and given the fact that good fullbacks are few and far between at the moment means that it it may prove quite difficult to replace him.
Regarding Hulls statement of intent, the fact that they are prepared to pay quite large sums of money for players like Ellis and others does imo at least give the impression that they are making a statement of where they intend to go next season.
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