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| Quote ="SirStan"1. Are you absolutely certain that Burn's ban was the longest in Aussie history, or are you winging it again?
2. Burns was a hard, physical player for Rovers, I don't recall him causing anyone a significant injury in his time here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
3. As per my previous comment, what relevance has Burn's past record, or indeed his perceived personal traits go to do with Green's ban?
As for not wanting a thug in the side, I don't, and more specifically, I don't want Green to develop into one. Strong, hard runner, yes, but not a forward who takes out half backs, the props union would not approve. Note, this also applies to Allgood, but his reputation followed him half way round to globe and cost him a 2nd match.'"
I seem to remember him putting Blake Green out for a few months with a late cheap shot not long after coming to Rovers.
As a rule he seemed to injure himself rather than the opposition when he tried to do it for us, such as at the KC, when he did his arm/shoulder.
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| To me it looked far worse then it was, tall guy on small guy, unfortunately bully boy burns come off worse!!!! Some say it was a cheap shot!!! I think he wanted to make a point and put a marker on him, yes hurt but not in the way it happened. Also if any of you never saw the cheap shots burns did while playing for us!!!!! Well one word Specsavers!!!
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| Not enough exclamation marks in that post. Can't take it seriously.
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| Quote ="SirStan"1. Are you absolutely certain that Burn's ban was the longest in Aussie history, or are you winging it again?
2. Burns was a hard, physical player for Rovers, I don't recall him causing anyone a significant injury in his time here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
3. As per my previous comment, what relevance has Burn's past record, or indeed his perceived personal traits go to do with Green's ban?
As for not wanting a thug in the side, I don't, and more specifically, I don't want Green to develop into one. Strong, hard runner, yes, but not a forward who takes out half backs, the props union would not approve. Note, this also applies to Allgood, but his reputation followed him half way round to globe and cost him a 2nd match.'"
It seems several fans think burns was a thug stan,fancy that.As I said earlier every time you cheap shot somebody you don't always injure them,but the intent is there.
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| You're point is?
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| Probably the only personal achievement Green will make in his career. Dog standard average player.
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| Quote ="LFC Saint"Probably the only personal achievement Green will make in his career. Dog standard average player.'"
He's that average that it took the final hooter to remind him to take your front row out of his pocket, I bet the bunnies haven't got over the mauling your world beaters gave them.
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| Quote ="LFC Saint"Probably the only personal achievement Green will make in his career. Dog standard average player.'"
Still smarting?
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| Quote ="phil webbo"He's that average that it took the final hooter to remind him to take your front row out of his pocket, I bet the bunnies haven't got over the mauling your world beaters gave them.'"
I can understand it to some extent from Wigan or Leeds, but a Hull KR fan mocking another teams performance in a World Club game?...I won't even bother.
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| Quote ="roversmad"Still smarting?'"
I wouldn't get too excited... you beat Saints at least once a year, but where does it get you?
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| Quote ="LFC Saint"Probably the only personal achievement Green will make in his career. Dog standard average player.'"
Shows how much you've seen Green, He has the potential to be a very good player and is rated very highly at Rovers.
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| Quote ="JonB95"I wouldn't get too excited... you beat Saints at least once a year, but where does it get you?'"
Why don't we wait and see how Rovers do over the next few years before you spout more condecending shiite.
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| Let's clear this up, James Green is not a dirty player. His previous record and style of play show this. We can not hide from the fact that it was a bad challenge but i do not feel as though it was malicious. Mis timed big hit - yes, but i think the biggest problem was the size of green against burns and the action burns was making which was a feigned step and giving an inside ball which brought his body lower. This does not excuse Green's challenge and a defender has to adapt to this.
Why this has escalated is now due to Burn's injury. Those calling for a ban for green the same length of Burns need to be careful for what they wish for and sets a dangerous precedent going forward. The intent was to give a big shot and let him know he will be in a game, and not to purposely injure him. Which i believe also reflects the Meli incident from a couple of years back which was mis timed - not malicious. Anybody calling this differently I feel is completely unfounded in their allegations.
An extra thought - Does becoming champions automatically turn supporters into arrogant, obnoxious imbeciles? some of the comments on here over the last couple of days have been ridiculous from saints fans
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| Quote ="LFC Saint"Probably the only personal achievement Green will make in his career. Dog standard average player.'"
A 24 year old prop with less than 50 games in his career. Poor lad might as well give up now if he's got no room for improvement.
I'll remind you of this when the inevitable happens and he heads to the NRL or another SL club for a large transfer fee. Who knows, Sts might fancy him after the roaring success of the last prop you took from us.
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| Quote ="mean_machine"Let's clear this up, James Green is not a dirty player. His previous record and style of play show this. We can not hide from the fact that it was a bad challenge but i do not feel as though it was malicious. Mis timed big hit - yes, but i think the biggest problem was the size of green against burns and the action burns was making which was a feigned step and giving an inside ball which brought his body lower. This does not excuse Green's challenge and a defender has to adapt to this.
Why this has escalated is now due to Burn's injury. Those calling for a ban for green the same length of Burns need to be careful for what they wish for and sets a dangerous precedent going forward. The intent was to give a big shot and let him know he will be in a game, and not to purposely injure him. Which i believe also reflects the Meli incident from a couple of years back which was mis timed - not malicious. Anybody calling this differently I feel is completely unfounded in their allegations.
An extra thought - Does becoming champions automatically turn supporters into arrogant, obnoxious imbeciles? some of the comments on here over the last couple of days have been ridiculous from saints fans'"
Good post mate, but far too sensible. Get some knee-jerk into your life!
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| Quote ="mean_machine" An extra thought - Does becoming champions automatically turn supporters into arrogant, obnoxious imbeciles? some of the comments on here over the last couple of days have been ridiculous from saints fans'"
It does if they're Scousers, he'll no doubt be back on here getting all squeaky and high pitched. Wigan have a sense of self importance but no way as bad as St's fans.
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| I like James Green, but setting all club differences aside this incident shows all that is wrong with the disciplinary system. This was a perfect text book example of why the shoulder charge was banned, he doesn't get a card (fair enough, ref probably didn't get a great look at it) and he gets two matches, is allowed to submit a EGP, and ends up missing one match.
If we are really serious about stamping out foul play then it's not acceptable. What kind of a deterrent is that?
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I like James Green, but setting all club differences aside this incident shows all that is wrong with the disciplinary system. This was a perfect text book example of why the shoulder charge was banned, he doesn't get a card (fair enough, ref probably didn't get a great look at it) and he gets two matches, is allowed to submit a EGP, and ends up missing one match.
If we are really serious about stamping out foul play then it's not acceptable. What kind of a deterrent is that?'"
Well said. It's the same for tackling below the knee that Paea got banned for. It happens week in week out and yet no one gets banned now?
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| Quote ="FaithfulCott"Well said. It's the same for tackling below the knee that Paea got banned for. It happens week in week out and yet no one gets banned now?'"
Thats the way the RFL work tho'. They bring a new rule out, hammer it for a month or so then completely ignore from then on in.
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| Quote ="JonB95"I wouldn't get too excited... you beat Saints at least once a year, but where does it get you?'"
Under your skin it seems
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| I suggest the people complaining about the shoulder charge by Green and the sentence handed down view RFL ON FIELD COMPLIANCE PROCEDURES & SENTENCING GUIDELINES
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Shoulder Charge B-D Indirect or secondary contact with the head of an attacking player.
C-E Direct initial contact with the head of an attacking player.
A-C Other dangerous contact.
After viewing the incident The Match Review Panel decided on a grade B offence which carries a Tariff of 1-2 matches. I’m pretty certain they would have the benefit of better replays than viewers either watching Sky/Super League show.
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| Quote ="Aldy"I suggest the people complaining about the shoulder charge by Green and the sentence handed down view RFL ON FIELD COMPLIANCE PROCEDURES & SENTENCING GUIDELINES
Sentencing Guidelines
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Shoulder Charge B-D Indirect or secondary contact with the head of an attacking player.
C-E Direct initial contact with the head of an attacking player.
A-C Other dangerous contact.
After viewing the incident The Match Review Panel decided on a grade B offence which carries a Tariff of 1-2 matches. I’m pretty certain they would have the benefit of better replays than viewers either watching Sky/Super League show.'"
The tariff is inline with his actions then as even on the sky replays you see that Green hits the top of Burns shoulder which slides up into his face.
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| Quote ="barham red"It does if they're Scousers, he'll no doubt be back on here getting all squeaky and high pitched. Wigan have a sense of self importance but no way as bad as St's fans.'"
You see, my dear boy, we are St Helens. This isn't some rugby league backwater where laps of the field are appllcable following victory. This is a place where the club, fans, players, man on the street, expect to win, demand victory even. Not hope, not pray for a decent cup draw - no, none of that level of desperation. This is a place where self importance is instilled precisely because we are important. Our name resonates throughout the game; it's why you do laps of the field following victory over ourselves; it's why when the cup draw is made, you pray our name isn't pulled out; it's why you aren't surprised when yet another trophy is placed in our cabinet - it's because we are St Helens. This is the kind of club that James Green will want to play for when he inevitably decides his present rugby league backwater is no longer for him. Right now, he's fine. Should he become good then the likes of St Helens will roll into town. Self importance is a part of being an establishment like our own; it's part of our make up, if you will.
On the challenge, well Green was a lucky boy; however now our chairman, the most respected in the game and a man whom the authorities listen to has spoken publicly. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Green is dragged back for a further hearing. You see again, when St Helens' chairman speaks, the RFL listen. That's part of being whom we are also.
Cheerio now.
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If Barham Red's point needed any validation, there you have it ladies and gentlemen.
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| Oh dear, SLS you really are a plank. And for the record our players walk round the east and north stand and back to the west stand after every match win lose or draw, not just because we beat Saints at home yet agin.
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