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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"Well you may think that and it could be true. However, different Judges are known to hand down different sentences for similar offences and being human I guess that could be influenced by many things, not necessarily the severity of the offence or the facts presented in the case.
Suffice to say, both are serious violent offences and for consistency ought to be viewed similarly, don't you think?'"
Yes - although as apparently sustained attack the Cockayne one would in my view be considered worse, especially given the return to dish out more kicking
On your first point I am reliably informed that had either case been heard in my home town before a certain judge, both would almost certainly have been sent down for a decent stretch with the word of the judge ringing in their ears, so I agree on that too.
Agreeing with more than one Rovers fan in a day. I'm off for a lie down
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"I dont even recall the thread to be honest, and the Hull Fans that welcomed him not getting a custodial sentence need to think again for me. As ive said, there is not place in our sport for this kind of behaviour, from any player.'"
That is an entirely legitimate position. If the RFL adopts it as 'company policy', I wouldn't argue with that.
Quote ="Chris28"Hang on!
Look at the sentenced handed out - Raynor gets around 6 months less, suspended for 6 months less. Anyone with half a brain can see that's a lesser sentence. The offences are different but the law and the court has viewed Raynor's as less severe, independently of each other.
If you want me to put links to the reports, fine but its all there to see on BBC et al.'"
Yes, but even if you think that a harsher sentence demands a harsher additional response from the RFL, you need to be clear in advance where the boundaries lay. If they'd started a sliding scale with Raynor or Feka, it'd be clearer. However, if you start saying what they did deserved no RFL sanction, but BC's actions were beyond the pale and he should lose his livelihood ( which you haven't, so this isn't aimed at you), that is going to raise suspicions among Rovers' fans that club loyalties are coming into play.
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I can't believe that the Raynor thread was locked after one night, with a mod saying he should be left alone and not punished twice, and contributors asking that the thread be locked to stop trolls, all with the exception of Neil who said it should be kept open, then another mod closes said thread straight away citing it had gone off thread,
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what BS, I think Ben Should have gone down, but it sickens me to read the self rightious BS off a large proportion of Hull fans.
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I can't believe that the Raynor thread was locked after one night, with a mod saying he should be left alone and not punished twice, and contributors asking that the thread be locked to stop trolls, all with the exception of Neil who said it should be kept open, then another mod closes said thread straight away citing it had gone off thread,
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what BS, I think Ben Should have gone down, but it sickens me to read the self rightious BS off a large proportion of Hull fans.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"That is an entirely legitimate position. If the RFL adopts it as 'company policy', I wouldn't argue with that.
Yes, but even if you think that a harsher sentence demands a harsher additional response from the RFL, you need to be clear in advance where the boundaries lay. If they'd started a sliding scale with Raynor or Feka, it'd be clearer. However, if you start saying what they did deserved no RFL sanction, but BC's actions were beyond the pale and he should lose his livelihood (which you haven't, so this isn't aimed at you), that is going to raise suspicions among Rovers' fans that club loyalties are coming into play.'"
Bloody hell I feel ill!
If this is going to be a regular thing, and I sincerely hope it isn't, then the RFL need to get something in place NOW, legally sound and agreed by all the clubs.
I've been disappointed by the number of RL players getting into trouble and we run the risk of turning our league into the NRL if something isn't done.
From my perspective club loyalties clearly DO come into this, and it's been good to see that at least some posters on here can see both sides and agree that their own player deserves some sort of sanction in addition to the court punishment. The fact that it hasn't happened in some cases is a let down.
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Quote ="phil webbo"I can't believe that the Raynor thread was locked after one night, with a mod saying he should be left alone and not punished twice, and contributors asking that the thread be locked to stop trolls, all with the exception of Neil who said it should be kept open, then another mod closes said thread straight away citing it had gone off thread,
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what BS, I think Ben Should have gone down, but it sickens me to read =redthe self rightious BS off a large proportion of Hull fans.'"
But we've been expecting it all week
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what BS, I think Ben Should have gone down, but it sickens me to read =redthe self rightious BS off a large proportion of Hull fans.'"
But we've been expecting it all week
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| He should be in prison for that.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"He should be in prison for that.'"
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| Quote ="phil webbo"
I think Ben Should have gone down, but it sickens me to read the self rightious BS off a large proportion of Hull fans.'"
Gosh! Didn't have you down as a "throw away the key" type! Thought you may be willing to give folk one if not two chances...
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| Quote ="rover49"
Would they sack Westerman if it was him involved instead,
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But it was'nt westerman was it.
Doubt wether joe would do that drunk or not drunk.
Like as been said, one wrong kick in the right place and he would have been serving a murder sentance.
Imo the british justice system stinks.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"They should have done too, theres no room for it in our sport.'"
Raynor should have been sacked, he wasn't
Feka should have been sacked, he wasn't
the first one to feel the moral sword of vengeance was a second string bit part player for Cas, typical RL (clubs that is).
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Gosh! Didn't have you down as a "throw away the key" type! Thought you may be willing to give folk one if not two chances...
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| On a lighter note, should FC sack Radford for decking Vella
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| Quote ="rover49"Raynor should have been sacked, he wasn't
Feka should have been sacked, he wasn't
the first one to feel the moral sword of vengeance was a second string bit part player for Cas, typical RL (clubs that is).'"
Absolutely. Let's see what happens to Pryce and Reardon. I won't hold my breath (even though many on here would like me to )
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| Quote ="rover49"On a lighter note, should FC sack Radford for decking Vella
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Maybe but I'd go for Freedom of the City
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| Quote ="rover49"On a lighter note, should FC sack Radford for decking Vella
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| Quote ="Big Spender"Did Hull fc sack Raynor for his conviction for aggravated racial assault because i haven't seen him in the team recently ?
And if they didn't perhaps the Dullers calling for Cockayne's sacking could advise us mere mortals what the difference is.....apart from they play for different clubs.
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If you read the comments on this thread the 1st person to call for his sacking after seeing the video is a HKR fan.
Regardless of which club he plays for he should be delisted by the rfl till at least the end of the season
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| Quote ="rover49"Raynor should have been sacked, he wasn't
Feka should have been sacked, he wasn't
the first one to feel the moral sword of vengeance was a second string bit part player for Cas, typical RL (clubs that is).'"
I'd forgotten about the Feka incident.
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| just seen the video, what a savage its not even humane... joe public tried stepping in and he went off at them too...get rid i say, rovers dont need him, he's an animal.
i dont even know how people can compare, raynor hand a bust up man to man which im not saying is good and is ok but ben kicked a man repeatedly in the head whilst on concious, then went back for more... look at it how it is raynors case has been and gone, look at the here and now and check the hull daily mail website, its sickening...
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| Just seen the video. PRIDE OF EAST HULL ?????
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| Rovers are an up and coming SL club with a good team that can beat anyone on the day.......Do the right thing a get rid of this animal. He is a disgrace to your club and to the great game. RL doesn't need violent thugs in the game. I can't see how Rovers could justify keeping him at the club after Cas did the right thing. Its bad press for Rovers and now the video is on You tube.
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| I will be amazed if Rovers dont get rid
Hes a great player but do we really need this kind of person at the club?
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| Quote ="A Adler"Just seen the video. PRIDE OF EAST HULL ?????'"
He is from Normanton you 2@ and the incident did not happen in East Hull, the club are no more to blame for his actions a than are FC for the cowardly racist attack Raynor carried out.
If you cannot bring more to the debate than that I suggest you get back to play school.
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| Horrendous footage - the guy's a thug on the pitch and off it. Compare and contrast with your other full back, who is also a better player. Get rid.
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| If Cockayne was a pro boxer the governing body would strip him of his boxing licence. Can the RL do the same and ban him from playing the game in any way shape or form. Lets be honest, if Rovers do sack him, this guy is gonna look to play for another team.
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