Agree with the whole post. Think we may have missed a trick in not playing a few more youngsters on Monday with the main goal being Widnes..The fixtures were not kind in that a very tough good Saints team we pick up key injuries. Then the manner of Derby then Wigan away.Fine margins and this has echoes of 2 year ago and Easter period .Pivotal in both teams course taken.Sheens needs to ensure we don't travel same slide out of league

With our injuries it was probably best we did play Wigan (a game we would have struggled in at full strength) rather than one of our rivals at the bottom and lose a winnable game

3 weeks ago Tim Sheens said Danny Tickle was being rested so he would be ready for the easter fixtures?.
He also stated he would utilise his full squad?.There was only one change in the starting 17 from friday to monday.
A few teams changed as many as 7 players.if as someone stated we have 35 in the squad take away the injured it should still have been possible to change four or five.

That's what surprised me. You had next to no chance of beating Wigan so I would have thought Sheens would have rotated the squad. Even with the injuries you have enough depth to make some changes. The rested players would have been fresh for the far more important Widnes game. The point about Tickle is interesting. Unless he's injured it's puzzling why he didn't play.

Agree with some of the original post. We do need to be looking at signing some of our good young players (Atkin,Lawler,Mulhern,Oakes etc), to long term contracts. And look to build around them.

But we are were we were pretty much always going to be. This season was never really about challenging for the top 8'spot. But about making sure we get through the middle 8's unscathed and build to having a better squad next year. We always new that this squad was okay but not good enough to challenge for the top 8's. Be intresting If what i put on the chat thread is right about how many players are out of Contract this year. I can see there being a biggish turn over this year, not sure that's a good or bad thing.
We were always going to struggle with the easter programme. The way we lost was disappointing. But most people expected us to lose them both.
Main problem for me, is that we need to have 4 home games in the middle 8 with the way the championship is working out. Otherwise we could have 2/3 long trips. Which would not be ideal.
And at this moment it's hard to see were we're going to put a run of wins together to lift us up a couple of places.
It's beginning to remind me alot of the 2016 season, close and competitive in most games with the odd surprising win. Hopefully it will have a better outcome than that season.

This is feck all like 2016.

Anyone who thinks you do anything other than survive as a promoted side is a pillock

We have no god (doesn't exist) right to be in this league.

You survive and then build.

Jesus fecking wept, the like's of Fax winning the League as a part-time out fit in 1985 under Chris Anderson was when?

1985.

And that was a massive shock.

Welcome back. .Hope Alls been well?

My god goose your back we have missed you on here hope you are back for good

I agree. Results are similar, and it might even be that the final outcome is. There have been many worse SL teams than Rovers in 2016. Huddersfield in 2016, being an arguable example.

However, what was ‘special’ in 2016 was a seeming unwillingness to look reality in the face, and it largely felt self inflicted.

Now, partly resulting from that, we’re right up against it, but it at least feels like we’re trying to do our best rather than conform to notions of the ‘right’ way to run a club. There have been failures to match expectations - on recruitment for example. But at all levels it feels the effort is there and it’s in the right direction. That’s something you can rally behind even in weary adversity. 2016 was like one long face palm.

We seem a closer group which is understandable after majority of this team got us up from the Championship.Think the imports we had 2016 were of a higher quality . Mantellato and Sio were class.Kelly and Campese looked as good a pair as any.Blair was consistently good . Tilse Allgood didn't pull up any trees but I was in minority who liked Tilse. Campo was always injured and Kelly was a bad apple but compare that bunch to what we have now? I'd reckon there is a large saving being made as our current imports won't be commanding the wedge the relegated teams imports did? One good half and one high quality back rower and luck with injuries we have the makings of a good side, but it does feel like this season is about survival and maybe progress next?

Agree and hope you are right

This Saturdays game has a 'must win' feel to it but in reality it isn't.Saying that if we are going to sneak 8th then it probably is?The team felt after Catalan they deserved more and served up a treat at Hudds.After Saints Hull and Wig on the spin I'm hoping for a fired up aggressive performance for the fans and for me Widnes are the poorest squad on paper,they are however well drilled and rugged pack.Interesting game in store

This is a must win game we can't afford a defeat at home to our rivals in our 5 team mini league

It’d keep our hopes of 8th alive, just barely, but they’d remain slim. We’d possibly still have to win most of our remaining fixtures to the split, unless the bottom 5 are cut well and truly adrift.

A win would be valuable just give us a bit of feel good again.

Surely 9th or 10th is the aim if you end up in the middle 8s so winning games at home against your close rivals is vital?

We were always going to lose a lot more than we won, but for me its the manner in which we lose, when we lose we arent usually that competetive which i never understand, i always think our squads not as good as other squads so the players will raise there games and be well up for it but it doesnt seem to work that way.

It provides a fairly modest benefit, imo. I’d rather finish higher than lower, of course, and I want to see us beat Widnes because winning is better than losing. But 4 home games isn’t something to chase so hard you risk burnout or to be extra despondent about if you miss it.

It’s a key game because we’re capable of winning. It’s probably slightly defeatist, but I currently feel we’re close to incapable of beating the top 6, under normal circumstances. Which effectively writes off about 12 games, so when we do have a shot it’s important to take it. Although it maybe helped us avoid a blowout score line, that’s why not beating Hull when they reduced to 12 was probably even more disappointing. And not getting over the line against a struggling Catalans team in Perpignan too.

I think we have twin issues in not being as good [ior[/i as big as the opposition. Enthusiasm is going to be hard to maintain if you’re struggling on the scoreboard and getting beaten up in the physical battle.

There were some posts recently about Jake Connor being an irritant on the Hull forum. What irritates me about him is that he’s 98 kg, according to the internet, and plays full back, stand off or centre. That’s a back row forward in Hull KR measurements. Fair enough, apart from Griffin, he’s bigger than most other Hull players in those positions too. But for comparison, weights in kg:
Quinlan and Atkin both 82, Heff and Minns both 92, McGuire 88. Carney is 96, and backrower/prop Jordan Walne, 98.

I take a lot of the weights posted for players on the internet with a pinch of salt. No way is jake connor heavier than carney. I thought I'd seen somewhere that carney was 110kg anyway

I'd have said that with potentially toulouse, les cats and toronto in there you'd want as few away trips as possible. Only going to france once would be a big advantage over a couple of french trips and one to canada

I agree about the salt. But we look smaller than most teams, and undoubtedly struggle in the yardage battle and in contact, with all that entails.

There’s a counter narrative I’ve seen that our lack of size isn’t such a big problem and tbf I risk overstating it through repetition. But it’s based on us ‘holding our own’, rather than winning the physical battle, almost as if we’ve accepted that option is off the table.

I don’t want to put pressure on young men whose frames are not naturally suited to carrying extra weight, because that can lead to a dangerous place. However, in my ignorance, it looks like our recruitment and conditioning is out of step with much of the league.

There are so many imponderables, that it isn’t worth worrying much about imo. Assuming you’d specifically want to avoid those away fixtures, you’re swapping an expectation of getting 1.7 of them for 1.3. You could get 4 home games and those be your three away games, or vice versa. Most likely it’ll be one or two.

It’d make my click bait ‘top 5 in my reasons why it’d be nice to beat Widnes’, but only just.

I actually think the teams conditioning is back to where it was in the Morgan era. It’s the recruitment policy that seems to have back fired, going for lighter more mobile forwards who are grafters but through no fault of their own are unable to win the contact rather than size and impact. Unfortunately the squad are carrying too many players of this ilk.

In the Morgan era I think, to some degree, there was enough quality around that a different approach was more feasible - for us and some of our rivals. Mobility didn't always work then (England at the 2008 WC for example, and we still took the odd hammering), but it was a bit more likely.

As quality has become harder to find, I think there's been a tendency to rely a bit more on athleticism/power to compensate. Cas have taken a different approach, and won a lot of games too. But we seem to be unthreateningly underpowered [iand[/i conservative. I suspect our squad has really good fitness levels (as opposed to strength), and is trying to tire out bigger opponents. But even Sugar Ray Robinson struggled and lost when stepping up to light heavyweight - and realistically we ain't a RL equivalent of Sugar Ray Robinson.

Tbf, I think Sandercock's Weyman, Poore, Langley and Costigan 2014 round of recruitment was trying to get us that physical dominance, but none of them made it to the start line in 2015.

Always had a lot of respect for Mick. Retired in 2015 with dignity after his knee surgery.

He returned home to run a farm if I remember right , he knew he wasn’t for to play and was taking up a cap space so he did the right thing for himself and more importantly the club , respect to the guy.

Unlike Campese who mugged the club off .