Fair points but with a fit Dykes in 2008 we'd have performed a lot better league wise - and who knows what might have happened at Wembley if he'd played?

After all Dykes virtually got us there on one leg. But Long is not in the state that Dykes was so I expect him to play a fair number of games, unless someone does a Newton on him.

To be fair, those stats are pretty conclusive!

Just while we are on the topic of Scrum Half's though. It'll be interesting to see how Sean Long adapts, to work with a less skilful Pack than what he has been used to.

Cos believe it or not, I actually rated Thorman before he went to Hull!
Good players don't become bad players overnight.

A good half back operating with an inept pack is a recipe for disaster in my eyes.

Of the options available to them, Hull have probably made a good choice, IMO. Even at 33, he should improve them. He is proven quality in a position in which they have been lacking it. He'll be a new leader among the players, something I think they need, and he'll postpone for at least another year any thoughts of season-ticket boycotts.

For us, he should make a top panto villain. It is always funnier when a high profile signing disappoints (I haven't the heart to laugh at Thorman, in all honesty) and if he turns out to be brilliant it'll at least be brief and we can go on about how they are going to fall apart without him in 2012.

Dobson or Long ?

Long is an excellent player who is not as good as he was in recent years, he will not get any better. Also there must be a question about his ability to perform as well in a mediocre side rather than a world class side, how much of his game was about playing with class from 1 to 13. Good option by FC though as they need a 7 badly and he will give them the breathing space to either bring one through the ranks or look elswhere.

Dobson is also an excellent player and making the assumption he will still be with us long term I have no doubt about having him over a 32 yrs old who will inevitably have a decline in standards over the next two years. Dobson will get better and with the right coaching and in a side where he is the main playmaker, he could become world class as Long once was.

well he hasnt signed for you so why you even bothering? you got nothing else to do or something? look up how many winners medals he has compared to Dobson and how many career points etc...just silly art you

history won't win you future medals!

Bit of a gamble but given Hull's current lack of talent they aren't really going to lose anything if he ends up injured or dropping down a gear or two.

I'd still take Dobson on a 4 year contract over Long on two years any day of the week.

His cupboard is full, apparently he has no more room for medals so he signed for FC

Look on the brightside at least the signing of Long makes up for missing out on Crocker...i love the FC board

Is there a table showing international caps, CC and GF winners medals and Lance Todd trophies won?

Yes you can bet your bottom dollar that Longy will be up there looking at international caps, final medals etc... however seeing as those would be from fprevious seasons they are not included on the current stats.

Longy... has done OK with the Saints pack but goodness knows what will happen with your set of forwards

And just think what dobson would be like in a quality side

As opposed to one in 2nd place

Long has played 2 less and IIRC he had to come off before half time twice?

The one he is now in or the one that Rovers beat at KR this season

Can't wait to see what Long looks like in a poor, bottom half side.

Like I said earlier, OUR thread on OUR forum. Do one Dip Sh1t.

Dont get upset you have signed someone out of desperation who wanted a longer contract than his current club were pffering , deep down he will know Fc are buy he will want the dosh !! simple as

well course you would lol

Deary me

How long a contract were Canberra offering Dobson?

I'm applying your logic.

They didn't offer him one cos he didn't want to play like a robot.

Next question.

Ah, subliminal messages eh?

Long is alot better in defence though with is what lets us down a lot and dobson is used a lot more then long as saints have a lot more quality players on the pitch to go to

I've warned you all before .... it's Them

Yeah that nasty Canberra with rubbish robotic halves like Campese and Carney