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| No team clearance required, more an addition of quality. I just want to see Rovers win things again within my lifetime, unless Justin can really turn water to wine i dont see this happening with the current crop..
We had a little window in which we had the opportunity to win the Challenge cup, we were not good enough...., with Galea more or less certain to leave , Cooke underused and seeing his contract out , and seemingly no top class hooker coming in, unforutnately i truly believe this is our peak season for now...as much as it grates , and as much as i think they are very poor, i would wager FC reverse roles with us next year..
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| i would think last Saturday proved to anyone with RL knowledge that Berrigan (the australian international hooker and centre ) is a better scrum half than Dobson,
i would also say that anyone who thinks he is better than (and more importantly better value for money than) Sherwin, Eastmond, Long, Briers, Burrow, Brough, Myler , Orr and Robinson is deluded..
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| Quote ="Convict 99"simply compare his medals , 1st team NRL matches , state of origin, city v country, or international appearances to any of the other superior quality scrum halves in world RL..
exactly what i mean , just because a guy plays for Rovers doesnt mean he is the best ever, if they all were we would be top of the league and in the CC semi finals would we not....
if we ever want to be the absolute best some Red and white blinkers need to be dispensed with...'"
First in S/L to reach 200 points, Hull KR 4th in S/L in only the 3rd year....jeez what do you expect, there's plenty of time....WE R HULL KR.
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| Quote ="Convict 99"I just want to see Rovers win things again within my lifetime, unless Justin can really turn water to wine'"
He's not jesus...but not far off
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| Quote ="Convict 99"No team clearance required, more an addition of quality. I just want to see Rovers win things again within my lifetime, unless Justin can really turn water to wine i dont see this happening with the current crop..
We had a little window in which we had the opportunity to win the Challenge cup, we were not good enough...., with Galea more or less certain to leave , Cooke underused and seeing his contract out , and seemingly no top class hooker coming in, unforutnately i truly believe this is our peak season for now...as much as it grates , and as much as i think they are very poor, i would wager FC reverse roles with us next year..'"
Just goes to show what you really know.
Quote Convict99 wrote:Rovers problems lie much deeper and to suggest otherwise is glossing over some pretty inept displays this year.......Wakefield twice, Quins away, Wire twice, Huddersfield twice, Saints i can excuse.......a reasonable early season, two derby victories, and one half decent home win in the cup doesnt offer much hope for the next two or three seasons...
I know progression takes time but Rovers are in reverse at the moment....
And lets remember Catalan are in only their third year in SL, got to the Challenge Cup final in their second and are real live SL challengers in season three....spending the same as Rovers...can anyone really , really see Rovers matching that progression next year...
Only Hulls terrible league season and the aforementioned derbies are Rovers saving grace this year...
On paper the squad is very capable , so where does the problem lie....
Perhaps Justin isnt as good as he thinks he is........or perhaps he just isnt addressing some issues that really need to be addressed because he is never wrong......'"
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| Quote ="sandy"eusa_clap.gif well said, i can't understand the negativity when we are still moving onwards and upwards
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Thats all we want...with all the hard work from the board down. The players are a unit, they are hungry for success just as we are, the comments made about the half time talk cement this hunger at Hull KR, wonder what the dressing room was like at the KC at half time on friday....trophies will come in time.
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| I agree, but certain peoples comments make me wonder who they support.
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| Quote ="phil webbo"I agree, but certain peoples comments make me wonder who they support.'"
Couldn't agree more.....whats this kid on.....where's he been for the last 15 yrs? Obviously not C/P
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| Quote ="Convict 99"i would think last Saturday proved to anyone with RL knowledge that Berrigan (the australian international hooker and centre ) is a better scrum half than Dobson, '"
Your deluded pal!!!!
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"I cannot believe you used that to back up your argument
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It gets trotted out week in/out on here, anyone would think it's some kind of major award
FWIW I think Convict makes some good points, however I do think he has been a bit harsh on Dobson. I am not a big fan of Dobson but he has done well for Rovers, whether or not he is worth the money he is on I don't know. The thing is when it comes to halfbacks its more important to have the right combination and Cooke/Dobson seem to be getting better together.
Also I would be surprsied to see Diskin leave Leeds, especially with his Testimonial looming.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"It gets trotted out week in/out on here, anyone would think it's some kind of major award
FWIW I think Convict makes some good points, however I do think he has been a bit harsh on Dobson. I am not a big fan of Dobson but he has done well for Rovers, whether or not he is worth the money he is on I don't know. The thing is when it comes to halfbacks its more important to have the right combination and Cooke/Dobson seem to be getting better together.
Also I would be surprsied to see Diskin leave Leeds, especially with his Testimonial looming.'"
Dobson has been outstanding for most of the season and he is still learning his trade so can only get better. The Albert Goldthorpe medal this is just a joke. Mike Sterriker gives Dobbo max points every week no matter how he plays
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Dobson has been outstanding for most of the season and he is still learning his trade so can only get better. The Albert Goldthorpe medal this is just a joke. Mike Sterriker gives Dobbo max points every week no matter how he plays
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Good bloke is Mike and has been an RL journalist for well over 20 years so he's well qualified to validate Dobson's class...
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| Quote ="General Zod."Good bloke is Mike and has been an RL journalist for well over 20 years so he's well qualified to validate Dobson's class...
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I've followed the game for over 35 years so i believe i'm well qualified to validate a players ability as well.
The Albert Goldthorpe Medal is farcical.
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| The Goldthorpe Medal shouldn't be taken too seriously I admit - you only have to look at the preponderance of halfbacks in the top 20 to see that. Still, I'd say it is no more of a joke than Man of Steel has become.
Rugby League isn't a particularly complicated game. Even the slightly more nuanced (:lolicon_smile.gif elements are fairly easy to pick up. I'm even learning some of the jargon off Cullen on BnA - upstream and mini pendulum are my current favourites.
We all think are own opinions are the best - otherwise we'd change them.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I'm sure there are some old Tommy Lee slagoffathon threads on here somewhere. Might pass some time on the long winter nights dredging them up.
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Dregde this one up then.
The guys and IMO would be a backward step for Rovers.
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| Quote ="Easty"Dregde this one up then.
The guys poop and IMO would be a backward step for Rovers.'"
Don't talk nonsense
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| Quote ="Convict 99"i would think last Saturday proved to anyone with RL knowledge that Berrigan (the australian international hooker and centre ) is a better scrum half than Dobson'"
Better player? Yes. Better scrum half? No way!
I don't think you'll even get many Hull fans agreeing with that.
Quote ="Convict 99"i would also say that anyone who thinks he is better than (and more importantly better value for money than) Sherwin, Eastmond, Long, Briers, Burrow, Brough, Myler , Orr and Robinson is deluded..'"
How'd you work that one out then? Sherwin is likely to be on at least as much, if not more than Dobson, and he's been plagued by injury and fitness issues.
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| Quote ="Convict 99" i would also say that anyone who thinks he is better than (and more importantly better value for money than) Sherwin, Eastmond, Long, Briers, Burrow, Brough, Myler , Orr and Robinson is deluded..'"
Id say he is better value for money than Long, I dont rate Robinson at all and Orr is nothing special although wont be on bog wages i wouldnt have thought. Cant argue with the others too much, but Eastmond has played 6 games in SL (i think) and you think he is better than Dobson. Seems you are a bit negative tbh, but im sure you will respond by saying you're "just a realist"
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| There's a thing called the salary cap convict which dictates most stuff...
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| Quote ="Convict 99"i would think last Saturday proved to anyone with RL knowledge that Berrigan (the australian international hooker and centre ) is a better scrum half than Dobson,
i would also say that anyone who thinks he is better than (and more importantly better value for money than) Sherwin, Eastmond, Long, Briers, Burrow, Brough, Myler , Orr and Robinson is deluded..'"
Brent Sherwin-Previously brilliant player, well past best.
Sean Long- See Brent Sherwin
Lee Briers- Can't tackle and injured a lot
Danny Orr-Had his best days 7/8 years ago
Luke Robinson-Good young player but does not have an all round game but getting better
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"Quote ="Convict 99"i would think last Saturday proved to anyone with RL knowledge that Berrigan (the australian international hooker and centre ) is a better scrum half than Dobson,
i would also say that anyone who thinks he is better than (and more importantly better value for money than) Sherwin, Eastmond, Long, Briers, Burrow, Brough, Myler , Orr and Robinson is deluded..'"
Brent Sherwin-Previously brilliant player, well past best.
Sean Long- See Brent Sherwin
Lee Briers- Can't tackle and injured a lotDanny Orr-Had his best days 7/8 years ago
Luke Robinson-Good young player but does not have an all round game but getting better'" '"
Nor can Dobbo, he is in the top 5 for missed tackles, an area which he needs to improve to be in the same league as Sherwin & Long have been.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Quote ="EL CAMO"
Nor can Dobbo, he is in the top 5 for missed tackles, an area which he needs to improve to be in the same league as Sherwin & Long have been.'" '"
Missed tackles are often thougght to not reflect tackling ability as a lot of players are more willing to attempt lost causes which makes for a higher mised tackle count.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"
Nor can Dobbo, he is in the top 5 for missed tackles, an area which he needs to improve to be in the same league as Sherwin & Long have been.'"
That's a poor way of looking at defensive ability. For example:
In 16 appearances this year, Long has made 166 tackles and missed 37. That means he's missed ~18% of tackles "attempted".
In 23 appearances this year, Dobson has made 318 tackles and missed 68. That means he's missed ~17% of tackles "attempted".
Stats are stats, but there are so many different ways of looking at them. I agree Dobson's defence needs to improve but that's based on watching him week in, week out.
Scott Murrell is top of both "Tackles" and "Missed Tackles", but I know his defence is excellent.
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