There would be if the need to find some was there.

Precisely.

The players are out there if clubs showed any real desire to look for them. Huddersfield beat Rovers on Friday with only 2 overseas players in their team. Rovers had 7.

Nuff said me thinks.

A bit harsh.


Would have been 10 if Vella, Lovegrove and Webster had been available.

I keep banging on about it mate but it needs sorting quickly.

Huddersfield and Hull FC need big praise for having the balls to play with the amount of British kids they do.

Other clubs such as Leeds and Saints look towards youngsters as much as they can and Wigan have that production line of youth but still opt for the Austalian when they are in trouble.

Take away the temptation and only allow one and Wigan would blood a youngster.

Given the amount of first team game Lovegrove has had I am sure Ryan Esders would be fitting in quite nicely now.

It is a joke, not only at Rovers but across Super League.

TBF though Mrs B they had Hodgson, Lolesi and Fulton missing.

Mate i couldn't agree more with you.

Not sure it's out of choice in every case, but thanks anyway.

The galling thing for me is that clubs like mine have put a load of resource behind developing in-house talent in preparation for quotas dropping. The latest gem from the RFL basically says that virtually everyone is classed as fed trained so if anything the number of overseas players in our game will go up rather than down in the short term. This effectively disadvantages FC who've put more eggs in the homegrown basket than many others. It's a complete joke.

Exactly, at Hull there have been some good people doing great work for years bringing kids through, many of which are now playing Championship Rugby, not because they are not good enough for Super League but because they are not as good as the 6/7/8/9/10 Aussies/Overseas in the squad.

If the rules were different some of them would be playing first team for their home town club.

Do Hull KR fans really think life would be that bad watching Iain Morrison, Jon Steel and Ian Hardman pull on a jersey each week?
If the League rules were equal and everyone had to use players like the ones mentioned then surely the National Game would strengthen in the end?

Maybe I am just talking rubbish

Nice spin Mrs B



Hull did it a) - coz they could (Rovers were no threat) and b) - coz Kath thought she could get local players on the cheap like her hubby does at Leeds. It had nothing to do with quotas.

Hull still spend 2/3rds of their playing budget on overseas players.

That said i still think Rovers just pay lip service to their player development program hence the continual change of coaches at youth level. I think they've had about 6 or more different coaches since they got promoted.

That is the thing that pee's me off most.

The salary cap is £1.6m, 2/3 would be £1.1m. We have Berrigan, Lauaki, Cusack, Byrne, Manu, Tony and Moa. So you are saying they average £152k each, then.

But add Crocker onto that and it would of been very different mate

Indeed.

But he's not coming and we've not paid him, ask Mr Gekko.



I would be surprised if any of them apart from Berro were on more than £100k, especially Moa.

I dont think he was paid was he?

Anyway, we run the risk of a rollocking for talking about Hull FC on the Hull KR/FC Forum so better leave this debate here and get back to moaning about stuff.

Either that or I can do you another Jacket Potato thread?

Since when were you bothered about that? Scared of the mods, not allowed to eat pies, come on, you're giving Rovers fans a bad name.

Its the principle.

He would have been here and he would have been earning big bucks pretty much the same as berrigan and he's on huge money. He wasn't getting paid though that is true. The other one is however



Anyway back on topic......Craig Hall is deffo worth signing and i'd be prepared to pay a fee.

I have turned over a new leaf and if you look at the recent pics on my facebook you will see why I have given up Pies, or should I say had them banned ha ha

Are you bank rolling Rovers now?

Crossland wont be happy, he likes to be the Sugar Daddy round these parts

All players from the Southern hemisphere will get displacement premiums for moving halfway round the world. IMO Crocker, Berrigan and Lauaki are worth big money. Manu and Tony to a lesser extent. Cusack and Byrne have essentially done jobs that decent homegrown players could do.

You're still saying that FC spend only 1/3 of the wage bill, ie £533k on its British players. I'm still not convinced that the combined wage bills of Raynor, Yeaman, Hall, Briscoe, Calderwood, R Horne, Thorman, G Horne, Dowes, Houghton, Thackray, Hodgson, King, Maloney, Washbrook, Whiting, Lee, Radford, Whiting, Tickle and Burnett is £533k. You are saying their average salary is £25k. Unlikely IMO.

25k is about the average for players with squad numbers 18-25 give or take exceptions.

I know 4 or 5 who get about that.

I would of thought the first 7 in your list would be more likely on double and most of the rest on around 25 or less basic.

It will be more if you double count.





About 6 of those players are on less than £25k and i think only half of King and R Hornes contract count towards the cap because of their 10 years service.

I won't be far wrong.

Anyway you can put as much spin on it as you like i'm not that fussed



The point is how do we get the ordinary and below average overseas players out of our game.

You think GB internationals like horne, yeaman and raynor are on £50k p.a.? Think again.

Clubs spend £1.6m p.a. on 25 players. There will be 7 or so who probably make up about £200k of that, leaving £1.5m to spend on the other 18 averaging out at £83k. I doubt that many of the established 1st team players are on less than £50k but expect there are a few around or above £100k. Market forces dictate the going rate for a player.