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| Quote ="Legends and Icons"Thats rich coming from you bud , obsessed with all things Pearson'"
Pearson has been football club owner you mean na we dont obsess over someone who lies and says you will no matter what have the best half back pairing in the league and that ur going to sign 6 future internationals bit of a jackanory story going on at the kc, wel have our narnia as stated by tarquin u can have jackanory
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| Quote ="The_Mighty_F90"Now who in the right mind would be sad enough to troll back through someone's posts from last season?
I will just take it that you made it up if you have no proof.
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Simon Clark asked Mike Smith : "Where do you think Rovers will finish?". Mike replied 4th. Mild Rover said Quote ="Mild Rover"Jeez, thanks Mike - an 'ultimately' or 'eventually', would have given me some squirm room at least. '"
You can't actually post quotes off the radio, fella, but the prediction was 4th.
No more derailment from me, I'm awaiting the detail on my latest North Stand funding questions. Phil Webbo has been most helpful thus far. Good lad.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Simon Clark asked Mike Smith : "Where do you think Rovers will finish?". Mike replied 4th. Mild Rover said You can't actually post quotes off the radio, fella, but the prediction was 4th.
No more derailment from me, I'm awaiting the detail on my latest North Stand funding questions. Phil Webbo has been most helpful thus far. Good lad.'"
Still not happy with your response.
Practice what you preach.
Show us some evidence.
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| As if anyone gives a shizzle or even listens to what Hopeless Mike says.
He can't tie his own shoes and his favourite food is raspberry jelly with Tip Top cream.
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| Quote ="The_Mighty_F90"Still not happy with your response.
Practice what you preach.
Show us some evidence.
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What evidence would you like of a statement on the radio? Be specific.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"What evidence would you like of a statement on the radio? Be specific.'"
I will only accept a link. retract your lie if you cannot provide one.
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| Any idea how the stands coming on?
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| Quote ="bishops finger"Any idea how the stands coming on?
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| Quote ="bishops finger"Any idea how the stands coming on?
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| From what I've heard the floodlights will be fitted and working before too long, which makes good sense bearing mind the large fee involved in hiring them at present.
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| Thread back on track, jobs a good un
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Thank you Phillip. Sorry to be a bit slow, I'm getting on a bit. A couple of questions:
Hull training is funded through a government grant - do contributors to that grant pot include taxpayers?
Presumably the "opening" date will be 29th July, so nothing payable by Rovers until 2014. Do the council repayments on the prudential funding start in 2014 also and does the prudential funding attract interest?
On the 1/3 risk, what happens in a worst case scenario that Rovers default and ERDF targets aren't achieved?
It's quite complicated. Good job you're in charge.'"
Firstly let me thank you for your admission to being a bit slow, I shall place that in my extensive quote library.
Re your remarks on Hull Training, I am not in the treasury so I am not party to how these grants are put together, I suppose we could say they used North Sea revenue or even the billions received from the sale of licences to the mobile companies, but it is here Cocklette that I will not play your game, to enable you to tell all and sundry that you were right after all that it is going to cost the tax payer.
On your other points the prudential borrowing does attract interest and the repayment shedule takes that into account. The ERDF targets are around jobs with the Hull Training Element so no worries on the HKR front.
I now intend to pay heed to Mild Rovers comments on this subject. FIN.
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| Quote ="The_Mighty_F90"I will only accept a link. retract your lie if you cannot provide one.
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No doubt you'll be surprised to know that Mike Smith never actually said we [uwould[/u finish 4th, he was pressed for a target of where he would like the team to finish (after initially abstaining) to which he replied 4th.
But maybe it didn't happen because we didn't have players like Shannon McDonnell and an ageing Ben Galea who give reason for Adam Pearson to predict a top-four finish this time around.
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| Quote ="General Zod."No doubt you'll be surprised to know that Mike Smith never actually said we [uwould[/u finish 4th, he was pressed for a target of where he would like the team to finish (after initially abstaining) to which he replied 4th.
But maybe it didn't happen because we didn't have players like Shannon McDonnell and an ageing Ben Galea who give reason for Adam Pearson to predict a top-four finish this time around.'"
I knew it. She does tend to lie a lot to suit her own agenda.
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| Quote ="General Zod."No doubt you'll be surprised to know that Mike Smith never actually said we [uwould[/u finish 4th, he was pressed for a target of where he would like the team to finish (after initially abstaining) to which he replied 4th.
But maybe it didn't happen because we didn't have players like Shannon McDonnell and an ageing Ben Galea who give reason for Adam Pearson to predict a top-four finish this time around.'"
Nope:
Quote ="Mild Rover"Mike Smith speaking with such confidence and swagger ... Rambled on that we need to finish 4th and that 4th was the best way to achieve our goals. 4th turned into some sort of holy grail ... Gee then asked the question like, with Craig the new coach and all that coming in - where will you finish next season? Mike Smith had talked himself into a hole and rather jovially replied 4th obviously.'"
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| Quote ="phil webbo"Firstly let me thank you for your admission to being a bit slow, I shall place that in my extensive quote library.
Re your remarks on Hull Training, I am not in the treasury so I am not party to how these grants are put together, I suppose we could say they used North Sea revenue or even the billions received from the sale of licences to the mobile companies, but it is here Cocklette that I will not play your game, to enable you to tell all and sundry that you were right after all that it is going to cost the tax payer.
On your other points the prudential borrowing does attract interest and the repayment shedule takes that into account. The ERDF targets are around jobs with the Hull Training Element so no worries on the HKR front.
I now intend to pay heed to Mild Rovers comments on this subject. FIN.'"
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
I think you are saying the following:
1) Rovers will repay the cost of the stand element with repayments incorporating the relevant interest charge on the prudential loan. Hull City Council underwrite this debt.
2) The Hull Training element is paid for by the Treasury from the public purse.
3) ERDF funding has been provided for the balance (maybe the Treasury pays into this grant fund too, who knows?) but the funding is conditional on achieving KPIs (number of business start-ups IIRC). I think I am right in saying that the ERDF funding was paid to the Council as assemblers of the project. So a final question - in the event of failing to meet the business start-ups targets, or whatever the KPIs are, who would be liable to repay ERDF?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"There's no such thing as a free lunch.
I think you are saying the following:
1) Rovers will repay the cost of the stand element with repayments incorporating the relevant interest charge on the prudential loan. Hull City Council underwrite this debt.
2) The Hull Training element is paid for by the Treasury from the public purse.
3) ERDF funding has been provided for the balance (maybe the Treasury pays into this grant fund too, who knows?) but the funding is conditional on achieving KPIs (number of business start-ups IIRC). I think I am right in saying that the ERDF funding was paid to the Council as assemblers of the project. So a final question - in the event of failing to meet the business start-ups targets, or whatever the KPIs are, who would be liable to repay ERDF?'"
The tax payers of Hull I hope.
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| Quote ="The_Mighty_F90"The tax payers of Hull I hope.'"
Nice one.
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| Mrs B, you've had ample opportunity to make your point. People can draw their own conclusions on its strength and validity.
Did I really refer to mr Lloyd as 'gee'? I do vaguely recall ms predicting 4th, but people get things wrong sometimes, especially prospectively, there's no shame in it. I doubt that is even in Mike's top 5. Anyway, I digress.
So, moving on...
We're past will it, won't it and it's more a question of 'when?' and rate of progress. Weather's turned much nicer down here today and up there too, looking at the webcam.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Nice one.
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I said it to stop you wasting another 14 hours blocking up our thread.
Have you ever watch QI
If so you will get it. Maybe not
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| Quote "Mrs Barista"There's no such thing as a free lunch.'"
Quite clear that you have never seen an MP's expense form then.
Quote I think you are saying the following:
1) Rovers will repay the cost of the stand element with repayments incorporating the relevant interest charge on the prudential loan. Hull City Council underwrite this debt.'"
Correct
Quote 2) The Hull Training element is paid for by the Treasury from the public purse.'"
Interesting use of public purse, I suppose every last penny the Government spend is public purse even if it's raised from mobile phone licences, but yes I can confirm it and that I am answering the same questions again.
Quote 3) ERDF funding has been provided for the balance (maybe the Treasury pays into this grant fund too, who knows?) but the funding is conditional on achieving KPIs (number of business start-ups IIRC). I think I am right in saying that the ERDF funding was paid to the Council as assemblers of the project. So a final question - in the event of failing to meet the business start-ups targets, or whatever the KPIs are, who would be liable to repay ERDF?'"
It is based on outcomes not KPI's as you well know.
It was based on the number of business pods within the building and the number of new jobs created.
The catering alone covers the jobs and the target period of risk is just two years, and considering we applied for the ERDF I think that is quite self explanatory, ie- if you applied for a business loan would you expect your neighbour to repay it if you defaulted?
I think this has now been done to death, and is quite unfair on people who would rather talk RL rather than BS.
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| Phil..... you shouldn`t have risen to the bait matey... should have just said "no comment" or "i take the fifth"... as you saw by answering just once that it was never ending...
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| Quote ="KR RRTR KR"Phil..... you shouldn`t have risen to the bait matey... should have just said "no comment" or "i take the fifth"... as you saw by answering just once that it was never ending...'"
I saw it as a chance to put to bed the financing of the stand once and for all, it's a strange she never asks any questions of the public money spent on settling FC's debts with the overly generous purchase of the place that will forever live in the memory of a 1/3 of their fans.
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