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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"You're either a wind up merchant or a f8cking idiot.
push a lever backand forth. tell that to the poor c*nt who was blown up in the 7/7 attacks and the drivers who risk terrorist attacks every day in London. Or the poor sods who have to deal with people regularly throwing themselves in front of the trains.
47,000 in London wont get you a mortgage on a shed.
You should educate yourself and not believe everything in the media. Striking is people's right to protect themselves from exploitation. If my colleagues inthe NHs did it more we might save what's left of the NHS. Then everyone would stop moaning about how sh#t it is and maybe notice most of the problems are down to privatisation.
Hope they strike on the 29th and then you can walk and then maybe you'll appreciate them. I 'll be in London for the final and will supprt them whatever they decide.
Go educate yourself you oaf.'"
47k may not be enough to mortgage a shed but should tube drivers really be getting more than doctors who work in excess of 50 hours per week with no overtime payments? Should they get more time off than Nurses who have to deal with the Sh*t they do day in day out? Should they get more on top of the 47k basic for doing night shifts? Should they get 30k more per year than an infantry soldier who is fighting for his country?
If your answer to any of these questions is yes then you are what is wrong with this country. I believe that any employee should be able to strike to get what they deserve. Tube drivers currently get more than they deserve and are a set of greedy <insert expletive>. By all means, strike for better safety at work but striking because they now have to work that bit harder (even though they still wont work as hard as Doctors/Nurses/Policemen/firemen/Soldier) for their money is ridiculous.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"To say they risk terrorist attacks everyday is just stupid they are at risk as much as anyone else in London sounds like you want us to go back to the 70s were strikes solved nothing in the end I was in a union for 10 years and when it came for them actually having to do something they were useless never again would I waste my time with these crooks I also remember my dad who was a docker coming out for a month in support of the miners and the only person who came out of that well was scargill with his nice new house'"
What a load of crap you spout I was in the union for 50 yrs yes 50 and i was also a shop steward and can tell you if it was not for a union we would not have the hols or pay we have now i can tell you you would not be working a 5 day week on good money you would be working 6 days or more,sure some unions have gone over the top but with out them you would be going to work all hours and on a bike with string round your coat and if it was left to this bunch the zero hours would be for every person going except them, if Maggie Thacher had her way when she was alive thats what would have happened, and the idiot in charge now will do the same if not stopped but i do not say they should get more then doctors or nurses they should of course get more but every person from a street cleaner to a top doctor should try to better their selves you are
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| I didn't realise that there was a salary threshold whereby if you're over it, you have no right to strike. New one on me that.
Londoners don't support the strike? Well I never. The self-serving commuters that will be directly effected by the strike don't like it, I can't believe it.
Some horrendous, crass, jealous comments on here. I only popped on to see if there was any news on the strikes, or other options anyone had found as I'm heading down on Friday morning.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"47k may not be enough to mortgage a shed but should tube drivers really be getting more than doctors who work in excess of 50 hours per week with no overtime payments? Should they get more time off than Nurses who have to deal with the Sh*t they do day in day out? Should they get more on top of the 47k basic for doing night shifts? Should they get 30k more per year than an infantry soldier who is fighting for his country?
If your answer to any of these questions is yes then you are what is wrong with this country. I believe that any employee should be able to strike to get what they deserve. Tube drivers currently get more than they deserve and are a set of greedy <insert expletive>. By all means, strike for better safety at work but striking because they now have to work that bit harder (even though they still wont work as hard as Doctors/Nurses/Policemen/firemen/Soldier) for their money is ridiculous.'"
You don't have a clue do you.
Also, can you put me onto the person who appointed you as supreme judge of what salary people deserve? Thanks
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"What a load of crap you spout I was in the union for 50 yrs yes 50 and i was also a shop steward and can tell you if it was not for a union we would not have the hols or pay we have now i can tell you you would not be working a 5 day week on good money you would be working 6 days or more,sure some unions have gone over the top but with out them you would be going to work all hours and on a bike with string round your coat and if it was left to this bunch the zero hours would be for every person going except them, if Maggie Thacher had her way when she was alive thats what would have happened, and the idiot in charge now will do the same if not stopped but i do not say they should get more then doctors or nurses they should of course get more but every person from a street cleaner to a top doctor should try to better their selves you are
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Maybe a load of crap in your mind but having to listen to shop stewards spout crap for ten years then when it came to the crunch they did feck all funny enough Union leaders never seem to suffer when the workers do British leyland is a shining example of the unions at work obviously your of an age were unions were the be all and end all times have changed that's why if the unions get there choice of labour leader labour will be unelectable
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"You don't have a clue do you.
Also, can you put me onto the person who appointed you as supreme judge of what salary people deserve? Thanks'"
Id say a solider is worth more than a tube driver
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| Quote ="Geoff Tipps"I guess you could just walk to your hotel and enjoy the sights on the way ......That's what I'll be doing when I step off the train at Kings Cross ......Do you remember walking, or are you too old to do that now? ......If so, my apologies!'"
Geoff. Remember this part of my kick off post.
ADVICE IS TO BE AWARE AND ALLOW MORE TIME TO GET TO YOUR DESTINATION ON FRI OR THE MATCH ON SAT.
It's likely that Sat should be back to normal just about by about midday, if the tube strike goes ahead the day before.
Just trying to be helpful and informative to my fellow heroes and heroines of the Hull KR supporters collective. Not really interested in the merits and demerits of the Tube Strike tbf.
I'm happy that your hotel is close to Kings Cross, but others might not be so lucky. As I currently walk 4 to 5 miles a day on average on 2 dog walks in mixed terrain on the boundaries of the North York Moors in my early retirement, I am happy to inform that my feet, heart and lungs are fully aware of what walking is all about. Appreciate your concern for my welfare, however.
My hotel is our daughter's spare room in SW London. Bloody long walk from Kings Cross, however, but cheap and the breakfast is usually free.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Id say a solider is worth more than a tube driver'"
And I assume your sole criteria for coming to that opinion is because the soldier if on tour, risks his life?
I'm not even sure why you or anyone else would make that comparison anyway? Comparing one job to a totally unrelated job, rather than actually read up on the strike to find out why they're doing it. Some people just see that they're paid £40 odd grand and think 'fk em', pretty close minded, jealous attitude.
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| My nephew's kids club do this walking bus system whereby all the kids from the kids club wear high viz jackets and walk in a long line of pairs, flanked by various staff members. Perhaps we could do a similar thing but with Rovers shirts?
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"And I assume your sole criteria for coming to that opinion is because the soldier if on tour, risks his life?
I'm not even sure why you or anyone else would make that comparison anyway? Comparing one job to a totally unrelated job, rather than actually read up on the strike to find out why they're doing it. Some people just see that they're paid £40 odd grand and think 'fk em', pretty close minded, jealous attitude.'"
Not jealous at all good luck to them but i wouldn't expect any sympathy from the general public and wasn't it you who mentioned comparisons with other jobs
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| We've our biggest game in 2 weeks time for nearly 30 years and people on here are arguing about strikes and trade unions. Can you all give your heads a f*****g shake!
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Not jealous at all good luck to them but i wouldn't expect any sympathy from the general public and wasn't it you who mentioned comparisons with other jobs'"
I doubt they're looking for public sympathy. And, no I didn't compare it to any other job.
Have a read up on it. Broaden that mind of yours.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Maybe a load of crap in your mind but having to listen to shop stewards spout crap for ten years then when it came to the crunch they did feck all funny enough Union leaders never seem to suffer when the workers do British leyland is a shining example of the unions at work obviously your of an age were unions were the be all and end all times have changed that's why if the unions get there choice of labour leader labour will be unelectable'"
Times have changed but most of the time not for the better unless you are rich and a MP but enough of that lets hope rovers can pull of a win then we will all be happy
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"To say they risk terrorist attacks everyday is just stupid they are at risk as much as anyone else in London sounds like you want us to go back to the 70s were strikes solved nothing in the end I was in a union for 10 years and when it came for them actually having to do something they were useless never again would I waste my time with these crooks I also remember my dad who was a docker coming out for a month in support of the miners and the only person who came out of that well was scargill with his nice new house'"
You and me may believe that they aren't under daily threat of terrorist attacks but the government have London on red terror alert permanently. If they believe that then look after the people who work there.
Unions didn't work for you. Well maybe we should do away with space rockets too as you've never used one.
Unions work otherwise we'd all be working from 7 years old and dying from horrific work related injuries and illness (see UK pre unions and see rest of the world were our big corporations now set up business to avoid unions and..........taxes.)
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"We've our biggest game in 2 weeks time for nearly 30 years and people on here are arguing about strikes and trade unions. Can you all give your heads a f*****g shake!'"
Oh shut up we're enjoying ourselves.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Id say a solider is worth more than a tube driver'"
Really. The government who send them out.....usually to kill Brown skinned people........ and then watch them be slaughtered traumatised and maimed don't think so.
Maybe you should raise it with those <please don't dodge the swear filter to use words like that, MR> rather than blame tube drivers?
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| Do you think you make your point more valid by using the colourful language, if so I don't think it's going well>
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Really. The government who send them out.....usually to kill Brown skinned people........ and then watch them be slaughtered traumatised and maimed don't think so.
Maybe you should raise it with those c+nts rather than blame tube drivers?'"
Whose blaming tube drivers you fecking idiot my last word on it I don't think strikes work nowadays it's not the 70s Union leaders have shown there extravagance at the expense of the workers I don't have a lot of sympathy probably because I'm self employed so don't get sick pay don't get holiday pay and have to give customers 30 days to pay me
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And again comrade, edit MR.
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| The unions which became legalised in or around the 1820s did a great deal of good regarding workers rights etc and there is no doubt that many of todays workers rights and benefits are down to those union ancestors.
However, where it all started to go wrong in my opinion was during the 1970s and In particular the winter of discontent 1978/79 when there were widespread strikes as a result of the Labour government's attempt to control inflation by a forced departure from their social contract with the unions by imposing rules on the public sector that pay rises be kept below 5%.
I was a public sector worker myself in those days and I can say as a result of my own experience that that winter of discontent did more harm than good for the unions reputation, people lying in morgues because of gravediggers been on strike, piles of rubbish piling up on rat infested streets as a result of binmen striking, flying pickets blockading hospital entrances which meant only emergency admissions were allowed, were just some of the consequences of the union led strikes of that period .
These type of actions sickened most fair minded people of this country and that's when people started to question the power of the unions, many thought they had become to powerful and political.
There is still an important role for unions to play in todays society and the workplace would be a poorer place without them for sure, but in my opinion, the trade union movement must choose between complete reinvention of itself or an accelerating slide into irrelevance, dragging the Labour party down with it.
With regards to the person who said ...tube drivers risk their lives every day because of the terror alert, yes they do run the risk every day, but so do the thousands of passengers who ride on those very same trains every day, most of whom can only dream of the type of wages and conditions those drivers are on.
in any case, this particular debate will be inconsequential before very long when driverless tube trains become operational.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Thanks for the f+cking advice.'"
Listen here BF mate.
I started this thread to provide what I hoped would be some helpful advice to warn my fellow fans to be aware of being caught up in possible travel disruption.
No problem for me that the thread has been hijacked by several of you to talk about the pros and cons of strikes and this one in particular, but by getting personal, hurling insults, going along the superior intelligence line on a couple of occasions and using colourful language, I think you have ramped up your nob factor tenfold IMO.
Not the result you wanted and certainly not what I expected from someone who generally posts very insightfully. Suggest you reread all your posts here and let us know if you agree.
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| Quote ="Seventies red"The unions which became legalised in or around the 1820s did a great deal of good regarding workers rights etc and there is no doubt that many of todays workers rights and benefits are down to those union ancestors.
However, where it all started to go wrong in my opinion was during the 1970s and In particular the winter of discontent 1978/79 when there were widespread strikes as a result of the Labour government's attempt to control inflation by a forced departure from their social contract with the unions by imposing rules on the public sector that pay rises be kept below 5%.
I was a public sector worker myself in those days and I can say as a result of my own experience that that winter of discontent did more harm than good for the unions reputation, people lying in morgues because of gravediggers been on strike, piles of rubbish piling up on rat infested streets as a result of binmen striking, flying pickets blockading hospital entrances which meant only emergency admissions were allowed, were just some of the consequences of the union led strikes of that period .
These type of actions sickened most fair minded people of this country and that's when people started to question the power of the unions, many thought they had become to powerful and political.
There is still an important role for unions to play in todays society and the workplace would be a poorer place without them for sure, but in my opinion, the trade union movement must choose between complete reinvention of itself or an accelerating slide into irrelevance, dragging the Labour party down with it.
With regards to the person who said ...tube drivers risk their lives every day because of the terror alert, yes they do run the risk every day, but so do the thousands of passengers who ride on those very same trains every day, most of whom can only dream of the type of wages and conditions those drivers are on.
in any case, this particular debate will be inconsequential before very long when driverless tube trains become operational.'"
This is a very well written and accurate post.
There is no better example of the consequences of the action of union excess and needless confrontational tactics by union action in the 70s than the decline of Hull. When Hull Dockers went on strike with excessive regularity back then, they gave no heed to the ships waiting to dock and stuck day after day in the Humber. Cue the growth of Europort in Rotterdam and then Immingham and Felixstowe. The knock on effect was the steep decline of port-dependent support industry within Hull as suppliers sought out alternative ports with less potential union disruption.
The growth of the alternative supplier was born. I suspect that the unions involved in the TFL Tube strike are flexing their muscles because there is no direct alternative like for like supplier in London.
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| Quote ="Pickering Red"Geoff. Remember this part of my kick off post.
ADVICE IS TO BE AWARE AND ALLOW MORE TIME TO GET TO YOUR DESTINATION ON FRI OR THE MATCH ON SAT.
It's likely that Sat should be back to normal just about by about midday, if the tube strike goes ahead the day before.
Just trying to be helpful and informative to my fellow heroes and heroines of the Hull KR supporters collective. Not really interested in the merits and demerits of the Tube Strike tbf.
I'm happy that your hotel is close to Kings Cross, but others might not be so lucky. As I currently walk 4 to 5 miles a day on average on 2 dog walks in mixed terrain on the boundaries of the North York Moors in my early retirement, I am happy to inform that my feet, heart and lungs are fully aware of what walking is all about. Appreciate your concern for my welfare, however.
My hotel is our daughter's spare room in SW London. Bloody long walk from Kings Cross, however, but cheap and the breakfast is usually free.'"
I hope that Cup final weekend is a treasured memory that you and your daughter will take to the grave .....sincerely, I meant no harm! .....Enjoy this fantastic unique moment in time with your daughter and the rest of your family and treat the trivial bulls**t of day to day life as exactly what it is .....bulls**t! ...... We are at Wembley, my friend! .....How great is that?! .....Haha!
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"We've our biggest game in 2 weeks time for nearly 30 years and people on here are arguing about strikes and trade unions. Can you all give your heads a f*****g shake!'"
Here, here! .....We are at Wembley, my friends!!!!
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| Quote ="Pickering Red"Listen here BF mate.
I started this thread to provide what I hoped would be some helpful advice to warn my fellow fans to be aware of being caught up in possible travel disruption.
No problem for me that the thread has been hijacked by several of you to talk about the pros and cons of strikes and this one in particular, but by getting personal, hurling insults, going along the superior intelligence line on a couple of occasions and using colourful language, I think you have ramped up your nob factor tenfold IMO.
Not the result you wanted and certainly not what I expected from someone who generally posts very insightfully. Suggest you reread all your posts here and let us know if you agree.'"
I absolutely stand by everything I posted.
It's a public forum. If people post opinions then expect replies. Some of the opinions posted we're by people who were clearly parroting media lines drawn by interested political parties. They are then open to question or ridicule dependent on content. Some of the posts were clearly idiotic and they pressed the submit button so they're open to reply.
If I then point out their idiocy on that topic don't cry about it.
Of all the issues raised you and Dreary get upset about swearing......all the moral and ethical issues and swearing brings you to post...not the loss of human rights not the media control not the use of humans as a cog in the economy etc etc........it's a bloomin' word on a page...gas out your gob.....nothing more unlike people's right to protect themselves and their livelihood.
Regarding unions it's 2015 folks not 1978.
Your a decent fellow and the forum is better having decent fellows on it but please 're arrange your moral compass a bit.
Less heat, more light and all that. And swearing is discouraged on here. Please desist. Ta, MR.
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