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| Barrington Fishface is innocent!!!!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Aye - maybe it is worth people thinking of it in terms of 'previous good character' in a trial.
Imagine Barrington Fishface gets caught red-handed shoplifting in WHSmiths. He's clearly guilty, and that is his plea. But by admitting his guilt and pointing out he has, to this point, had a clean record, he hopes that the judge will be lenient in sentencing.
There's no point him saving his 'previous good character' for the next time he gets caught thieving, when he already has this conviction.'"
Bloody hell do you know barrington fishface i thought he was dead
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| On the Allgood charge I think Donaldson coming in to complete the tackle and dropping onto Allgoods back may have put the extra pressure on Michaels neck
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"He can't use it later in the season if he cops a ban. You can only use it if you have been squeaky clean for 1 year so even if he doesn't use it, he can't then use it for another year provided he stays out of trouble for that year.'"
Which is exactly why I'd contest it. Don't want to regret having used the EGP later in the season, even more so if there's a chance Blair may miss these games through injury. The charge even mentions 'other tackler's actions were part of the problem'.
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| Quote ="sandy"It doesn't work like that unfortunately, the early guilty plea is a one time deal for the year you can't store them up, whether you take it or not once you receive a ban you ve got to do a full year clean before you earn another EGP'"
That's not entirely true either, because that would mean that if you felt that the RFL had it wrong and you wanted to contest it you would be forced to use your EGP, meaning pleading guilty to something you haven't done, that would put them in breach of Natural justice although I believe the terminology has changed, it falls under the right to a fair hearing which pleading guilty when there is a belief of innocence is a good example of this.
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| This was from the RFL site (for Blair):
Early Guilty Plea offered and accepted. 1 match suspension.
He has used his EGP and will be out of the Cas game, which by all accounts he was going to miss with a groin injury anyway. Shame about him not being available though as he had been excellent in this little mini-run we have been on.
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| Quote ="RoverAndOut"This was from the RFL site (for Blair):
Early Guilty Plea offered and accepted. 1 match suspension.
He has used his EGP and will be out of the Cas game, which by all accounts he was going to miss with a groin injury anyway. Shame about him not being available though as he had been excellent in this little mini-run we have been on.'"
Allgood nfa.
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| Quote ="Tavernred"Allgood nfa.'"
Where has this been confirmed?
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| Quote ="SirStan"Where has this been confirmed?'"
On rl disiplinary panel site.
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| All I can see is that the penalty is NFA to 1 game nothing about the outcome.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"All I can see is that the penalty is NFA to 1 game nothing about the outcome.'"
Says nfa-1 now only saw nfa last time. Maybe wishful thinking! !
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| Quote ="phil webbo"That's not entirely true either, because that would mean that if you felt that the RFL had it wrong and you wanted to contest it you would be forced to use your EGP, meaning pleading guilty to something you haven't done, that would put them in breach of Natural justice although I believe the terminology has changed, it falls under the right to a fair hearing which pleading guilty when there is a belief of innocence is a good example of this.'"
But you're still free to contest the charge and you're not obliged to use an EGP.
There's just the strong temptation to play the system, even if you think you're innocent. Because being honest, 'you' feeling the RFL have it wrong isn't the most rational basis to plead not guilty - it's more what you think they'll think. So, it becomes a bit of a game.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"But you're still free to contest the charge and you're not obliged to use an EGP.
There's just the strong temptation to play the system, even if you think you're innocent. Because being honest, 'you' feeling the RFL have it wrong isn't the most rational basis to plead not guilty - it's more what you think they'll think. So, it becomes a bit of a game.'"
Quite agree MR, it's like magistrates court, a good friend of mine is on the bench and because people are given stricter sentences if they plead not guilty, they generally all plead guilty, he said he has sat there on the bench thinking the weight of evidence was in the defendants favour yet they're too afraid to chance it and risk a higher penalty, so I assume the rational would be the same with Red Hall.
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Mitch Allgood of @hullkr_online found not guilty of Grade A dangerous contact v @hullfcofficial'"
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| Did chase get done for crippling ferres?
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Did chase get done for crippling ferres?'"
I suspect they haven't finished reading out the rap sheet yet when considering his previous good character.
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| In case you haven't picked up the news yet from Red Hall, Mitch Allgood has been found not guilty by the RFL disciplinary panel on his Grade A charge following the derby game. Confirmation is on the HKR website twitter feed.
Allgood is free to play against Cas.
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| Quote ="SirStan"I suspect they haven't finished reading out the rap sheet yet when considering his previous good character.'"
They could still be at it now. It'll be like the Eli Wallach hanging scene in The Good The Bad and The Ugly....
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| Quote ="SirStan"I suspect they haven't finished reading out the rap sheet yet when considering his previous good character.'"
He's copped a 7 match ban. Shame it won't be a game against us.
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| Quote The RFL @TheRFL · 3m3 minutes ago
Rangi Chase of @SalfordDevils suspended for 7 games after being found guilty of a Grade E dangerous throw on @Giantsrl player Brett Ferres'"
Chase & his mate Hauraki (4 matches) can have nice holiday together now. Pair of thugs
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| Quote ="phil webbo"Quite agree MR, it's like magistrates court, a good friend of mine is on the bench and because people are given stricter sentences if they plead not guilty, they generally all plead guilty, he said he has sat there on the bench thinking the weight of evidence was in the defendants favour yet they're too afraid to chance it and risk a higher penalty, so I assume the rational would be the same with Red Hall.'"
I should've added in my original explanation that you're perfectly entitled to challenge the charge and not just use your EGP, Phil.
having talked to 1 or 2 of the players and a former coaching staff member about the madness of the EGP farce in the past they all said the same, with a match commissioner at every match and every game reviewed on the Monday at Red Hall the feeling is that if you've been picked out for a charge you might as well take the EGP whether you're guilty or not as the panel then look at the same evidence and pretty much everyone is then found guilty ignoring what you or even the injured party says in your mitigation! I guess the Mitch Allgood case bucked the trend thankfully
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| Gutted to lose Blair, didn't think he would be anywhere near this good when I first saw him jog out purely based on his mud gut. He's injured anyway I suppose. Surprised Allgood got off, even with rervers specs on I thought it was a crusher tackle when compared with other ones that have been cited.
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