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| My opinions of Cockayne's troubled past are a matter of record on here so I won't revisit them.
I just think our recruitment priorities should be elsewhere, and hopefully so do the club.
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| Quote ="SirStan"My opinions of Cockayne's troubled past are a matter of record on here so I won't revisit them.
I just think our [urecruitment priorities should be elsewhere[/u, and hopefully so do the club.'"
I don't mind Charlie returning but do we need another back-line player when priority should be placed on a 7, and at least 2 forwards?
If Rovers do sign him then it will confirm what I have heard, and that is the new investor is funding the deal (transfer and all). I actually thought NH was going to announce it in his chat on HKRTV but he fell short with his reference to having secured funding beyond 2014.
You might want to take that last comment with a pinch of salt, because the same source told me Dale Ferguson was nailed on However he assures me Rovers are in talks with Fakir
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| Your comment on us having a black player was utterly infantile and ruined any credibility that you may have otherwise held in the debate anyway.
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| Don't know where we're going with this. Loved Charlie as a player & was gutted to see him go but Hudge made the right decision at the time. Life moves on, he seems happy & settled at Wakey now, would he even want to come back? My guess is that he signed quite a modest deal at Wakey & this is just an agent seeing what his options are.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"I think certain people on these boards need to get a grip.
There are plenty of RL players the world over with worse pasts than Cockayne. Would anyone turn down Jake Friend coming over? Greg Inglis maybe? No, thought not.
If CS thinks he can do a job and the price is right, there is no reason not to sign him.'"
If you are of the opinion that a player indulges in behaviour or expresses views or opinions that are so much at odds with your own views and opinions (and for me this is the case with Ben and his views on race) then you are entitled to be of the opinion that you would not like that player back at the club you support.
wether other players (who don't play for us) have behaved in a worse way or how good Ben himself may be at rugby is frankly irelevant.
I won't have any say in wether Ben comes back to Rovers or not but I have the right to say that for the reasons stated above I hope it doesn't happen
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| Hull fans were giving him loads of on twitter after mondays game
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| If it is true cant really see the point. Club and player have moved on.
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| Quote ="redmuzza"If it is true cant really see the point. Club and player have moved on.
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Obviously not.
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| Hope this doesn`t come to fruition as it would be a massive backwards step.... a fans favourite or not does not or did not give him the right to do what he did..... personally i feel he should have been kicked out of the game after the assault...
so really hope he doesn`t come back..., as others have said a softener of the players leaving....
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| Never go back
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Hull fans were giving him loads of poop on twitter after mondays game'"
He loves it frankie .
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| Great move brilliant utility player full of energy and now an England international as predicted by me. Rovers are moving to the next level now under sandercock can our neighbours hang on NO!!
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| Quote ="stew"If you are of the opinion that a player indulges in behaviour or expresses views or opinions that are so much at odds with your own views and opinions (and for me this is the case with Ben and his views on race) then you are entitled to be of the opinion that you would not like that player back at the club you support.
wether other players (who don't play for us) have behaved in a worse way or how good Ben himself may be at rugby is frankly irelevant.
I won't have any say in wether Ben comes back to Rovers or not but I have the right to say that for the reasons stated above I hope it doesn't happen'"
What views on race has he expressed?
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"Your comment on us having a black player was utterly infantile and ruined any credibility that you may have otherwise held in the debate anyway.'"
I'm cut to pieces, how will I sleep?
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| His expressed opinions on race and immigration reported on the mail taken from his Facebook were disgusting. it would be a shamefully and embarrassing episode if he should return to the club.
On the rugby side a liability. Can't catch high kicks and is a penalty waiting to happen. Saw him lose us plenty of games through indiscipline. Fan favourite. If buffoons and nasty ones are your thing then this guy is your man. Why Don't we go the whole hog and start monkey noises when opposition black players get the ball if Ben is your thing.
Keep him away from our club please.
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| Odd one.
I can't deny he's a competent and versatile SL player - even if his England call-up did smack a bit of McNamara trying to convince the world that he does a single solitary **** about form.
But it isn't a position of obvious priority, and it'd presumably require a fee or exchange! For a player we released after he blew his [uthird[/u chance. If he has 'grown up', then good - but how would the club look if he did have another 'off-field issue'? There are surely other players who offer as much on the ooc list.
As a PR exercise, irrespective of what else is going on at the club, it would seem like a double edged sword at best. If Sandercock has identified him, then fair enough, but I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering if there is more to it.
I really, really think it would be best left in the past for all parties.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"What views on race has he expressed?'"
Did you miss the whole facebook/ taxi driver racist slurs incident reported by the HDM?
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"What views on race has he expressed?'"
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| Quote ="stew"Did you miss the whole facebook/ taxi driver racist slurs incident reported by the HDM?'"
No. I did, however, miss any expression of attitude towards another race within that whole saga. Please feel free to enlighten me as to what views he expressed about another race.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"No. I did, however, miss any expression of attitude towards another race within that whole saga. Please feel free to enlighten me as to what views he expressed about another race.'"
Ok I get it, you like Ben and would like him back at Rovers
He admitted to and apologised for making racist remarks on his Facebook page which it was also reported contained inflammatory remarks about immigration. This is a matter of public record and is not denied by Ben Cockayne himself.
That to me is racism and an unsavoury attitude towards other races.
You obviously dont agree with this and would welcome Ben back.
I wouldnt
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| Quote ="stew"Ok I get it, you like Ben and would like him back at Rovers
He admitted to and apologised for making racist remarks on his Facebook page which it was also reported contained inflammatory remarks about immigration. This is a matter of public record and is not denied by Ben Cockayne himself.
That to me is racism and an unsavoury attitude towards other races.
You obviously dont agree with this and would welcome Ben back.
I wouldnt'"
Did he admit to making a racist comment? I'm not sure he did.
I'm not particularly bothered either way if we sign him again. If Sandercock and the board think it is for the good of the club, then so be it. I just disagree entirely with this embarrassing pretend moral high ground that some people are trying to speak from.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"Did he admit to making a racist comment? I'm not sure he did.
I'm not particularly bothered either way if we sign him again. If Sandercock and the board think it is for the good of the club, then so be it. I just disagree entirely with this embarrassing pretend moral high ground that some people are trying to speak from.'"
He absolutely did admit to it and he apologised publicly for it.
Im not sure what you mean about pretend moral high ground or who you are aiming that comment at but I'll be totally clear I am 100% against racism and I'm not pretending about that.
Ben Cockayne and his views/racist terminology mean that I would prefer him not to play for the team I support.
That is my view and im not trying to make it yours as well but I do think attempting to deny or deflect from the racist element of Ben's history is wrong. If you dont think it was that big a deal and your willing to overlook it as long as Ben pulls on the Rovers shirt again then just say that, but let's not pretend it didn't happen.
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| Leave him where he is we don't need him, unless Eden is leaving? now there is a thought
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| As much as I liked Charlie wen he played at KR that was then think we shud just move on now I always say dont ever go back I'd never go back to an old job. Surely we don't need him now .
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| Quote ="stew"He absolutely did admit to it and he apologised publicly for it.
Im not sure what you mean about pretend moral high ground or who you are aiming that comment at but I'll be totally clear I am 100% against racism and I'm not pretending about that.
Ben Cockayne and his views/racist terminology mean that I would prefer him not to play for the team I support.
That is my view and im not trying to make it yours as well but I do think attempting to deny or deflect from the racist element of Ben's history is wrong. If you dont think it was that big a deal and your willing to overlook it as long as Ben pulls on the Rovers shirt again then just say that, but let's not pretend it didn't happen.'"
Admitting to have said what he said and apologising for doing so does not constitute admitting to making a racist comment. He apologised for the damage caused by what he had written but denied being a racist and no views were ever expressed about a race. Substitute the word he used for another race and nobody bats an eyelid as no actual racism took place, hence the quickly dropped charges. Not wanting him back is fine, not agreeing with what he has done is normal but nobody can make accusations as to his views on other races as nobody knows what they are, despite what the Hull Daily Mail told you.
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