Was kinda saying today, at times you sometimes start to miss the days of take over places like Rochdale and Keighley (support-wise) and sticking 60 points on teams, even though I know we're in a better place now.

Hell Roofs,things havn`t got that bad you wish you were playing Rochdale etc.?
Twas only recently you ended up 4th in S.L.
I don`t care what fans of other clubs say,Hull deserves two teams in S.L.
(If only to give the chance for us to take the P out of you.

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We are =#FF0000Edit-RW. First time I have ever left a game without staying to applaud the players, which annoyed the wife, but to be honest, if they cannot be bothered why should I. There are some of our players who don't seem to give a damn and certainly must have taken the morgan 'we cannot live with Wire attack' as the signal to not bother, even Cockayne couldn't be bothered to even jump to try and prevent King scoring from a high kick.

We are one dimensional, I could see what we were going to do, so I am damned sure that Smith and his Wire players new as well and it showed.

I have been a season ticket holder for years, but if we allow the likes of Briscoe, Fox, Vella, Fisher, Murrell to have new deals I for one will not be renewing mine next season, those along with others are just not good enough for SL and we will be rock bottom next years (there is still chance this year yet) if they are the bulk of our signings for 2012. Morgan does not have a plan B and he is caught out too many times by average sides, never mind the good ones.

I also think our recruitment is poor, we spend a full cap, yet Wire can get King, Monaghan (x2), Morley, Westwood, Briers, Hodgson, Solomona, Carvell, Myler, Atkins, Higham in from other clubs within the cap, while we have to watch the likes of Fox, Briscoe, Murrell and many others for the same outlay, which is unbelievable.

Got completely outclassed - end of.

Looking at the points difference and Wire's squad, is their squad really inside the salary cap?

Even when you look at Wigan, Leeds and Saints etc, you can pick out players who'll be amongst the cheap earners but when you look at a squad with Hodgson, J Monahan, King, Briers, Morley, M Monahan, Carvell, Westwood, Anderson, Solomona etc, it makes you wonder what they may be up to.

I was just saying that today about recruitment rover 49 how can the teams like Wigan, wire have the quality they have and we have Wat we have, obviously way to many over Priced players in our team, u get the likes of hodgson and Taylor and even watts tried today prob on peanuts and u have Vella, Dobbo brisco on a large wage, big big changes needed for next season, we need sum beefy forwards 3 carvells will do Ta very much

What they are 'up to' is playing well and winning matches. Wire have never broken the salary cap and now that it is a 'live' cap they are clearly within the rules as always. Does you no credit to blame a defeat on an entirely spurious allegation.

That's the thing mate, in NL1 there was nowhere near the pressure - our biggest rival was probably Donny or York.



(no disrespect to either of those clubs, love York).



Anyway you're probably right, just fed up.

Try thinking about your own recruitment. HKR are the club who signed the biggest load of =#FF0000Edit-RW to come out of Aus for about 20 years, and you paid a lot of money for him.

For a good while I think some of us, me included were still thinking of us as a half decent team on a bad run.

But well, we've gone past that now.

You know I don't actually think Warrington were anywhere near their best today yes they showed their quality but only in fits and starts and they made loads of errors. And thank goodness Hodgson missed a stack of goalkicks.

So we have to humbly accept we are where we deserve to be.

I still believe what I did at the start of the season which is that there are 5 teams who have a chance of winning something and then there is everyone else. I hoped that we would be the best of the rest but that team is now Catalans. Rovers not even close.

But I also believe that 'everyone else' are much of a muchness really. You get a good start to the season you get the bounce of the ball and everything looks good. You get a few injuries you get bad calls from the officials and suddenly confidence is low and all you have are your hard luck stories.

Depending on such imponderables you may finish 6th or 12th. And so it will remain unless you can make the step change upwards. It's very hard, Huddersfield have done so but only in an artificial way IMO via a generous benefactor.

Huddersfield actually are a very small club who realistically belong in the lower divisions. One man and his money have elevated them where they do not belong.

Dylan sang 'When you think you have lost everything, you find things can always get a little worse'. He was probably thinking of Hull FC 11th and then 12th.

For them and us and for the rest of 'everyone else' our world is 6-12. Currently the difference between 6 & 12 is negligible the difference between 5 & 6 is huge.

Was at the game today. As a Crusaders fan, I can't talk too much, given our performances this season. Turned up to the game expecting a real closely contested tie. Thought 1st 20mins, there was a lot of unforced errors, and both sides just simply kept each other out. Wire from then to half time, just showed some pure class to score some of the tries they did. Think some of you are being slightly harsh on your boys. Wire are a top side and take a lot of stopping. Just didn't think things worked for you today. Mr. Reliable for you guys (Dobson) didn't do much today either. You have some games now that you can certainly pick up points in. Well you should pick up points in. You can still make the top 8.

Some days you just to take a beating & today was just one of those days. Our normaly reliable perfomers had an off day wich made a dificult job impossible. But echoing other posts if Rovers are spending near the cap how can Wire attract top players & we cant ?, Looking at thier squad not many are products of thier youth set up. If we are not able to spend the maximum it would explain some of our players & maybe we are still stuck with a few players we would not have taken if w e had been an established super league side from the start. That said I will be back & hope Justin can turn it round after all the giants & wire did not actualy set the game on fire untill the last two seasons, our day will come( I hope).

When did this happen?

What about, Leeds? Then wigan a few weeks before, then us at the KC stadium?

sorry, I couldn't help myself

Couldn't agree more ! Your players you can usually rely on, didn't really perform today. Thought Dobson's kicking game was nowhere near at its best. Kris Welham didn't show any signs of his breaks and prolific try scoring. Just one of those days. Wire were class at times.

what about them?
My main point is we are told that we can spend up to the cap but we dont have a team that can mix it with the top sides on a consitant & regular basis. Yes we have been able to pull off good results since our return to the top League, but as we have the same to spend as FC, Leeds, Wigan & Saints why cant we attract the same caliber of players? FC wigan Saints & leeds do have the advantage of very good junior set ups (that we are trying to get going) but they cant pay anymore than us so why dont we sign the Pat Richards or Matt Kings of the game? These are not retorical questions I realy would like to know.

got to say gouldy you are 1 hell of a rugby league fan reading some of your posts from the wire board, a crusaders fan living in wrexham but travel to hull to watch wire aswell

Thanks. Don't know how I get the time and money at the age of 15 too LOL. I love my Rugby League and would travel across the country to watch any game.

Hopefully, if you make it to the play-off, my task is to go to all the play-off games, with us not being in it. Certainly will come in your end with all you guys. God, how I would love there to be another Hull derby play-off tie. Never experienced one. Would love that !

I admire your choice of sport I am now into my sixties & it still excites me I hope it lasts as long with you.

Oh, don't worry it will do ! I've only been watching the game live since the Crusaders moved to Wrexham, and now I'm addicted. Can assure this isn't a phase, I will be watching Rugby League at your age still. Love the game, and they way it is.

Morgan loves himself too much. I remember him doing an interview during the quarter final in 2009, lauighing and joking when you had a 12 points lead. smacks of arrogance. Get rid whilst people are looking for work. i.e Brian Noble

A lack of humility only becomes an issue when you're losing. Morgan's problem is that he is losing, not that fans of other clubs think him arrogant. I don't need to judge him as a person - as a coach, a degree of self-confidence is necessary. As is resilience, which is what he needs to show now.

The next four games are a chance to put some things right and get some confidence.

HKR are an ambitious club, but only medium-sized and still young by SL standards. It has come a long way quickly, but there was always likely to be a bump or two in the road. We're starting to see some homegrown players come through the ranks and that'll give the squad a more stable foundation and allow us cherry-pick buy-ins rather than go to Riolo's wholesalers. There'll still be rubbish performances and seasons - we're not the Harlem Globetrotters (and bad as things seem, we're not the Washington Generals either!).

Same way as Karl Harrison for me, did great at Salford and got them a playoff berth in the top flight then went as far as he could. Also similar to Cullen with us.