Am i right in thinking Dowes stalled on a new contract due to a proposed pay cut and whilst OCC hull AFAIK hardly seemed overwhelmed from other S.L. coaches with offers to sign him up..... and when he did re-sign because of hull's failure to capture other projected targets the majority of fans on their forum didn't seem overly impressed he had been re-signed.

Likewise the overwhelming majority of Rovers fans were delighted Mills was released so on reflection it appears most HKR fans and Mrs B were all delighted with their respective clubs aquisition and release respectively.

At last the true point comes out.

Mills was Rovers weakest Prop and was released.
Dowes is Hull's weakest and got a new deal.

In a nutshell.

Mrs Borista = OWNED

Not at all. The thread has gone like this:

GML chooses to slag Ewan Dowes as the equivalent of Mills and specifically to mock his tackle busting as embarrassing.
I then point out that Dowes, who I don't particularly rate, as our 5th choice prop is still better from a tackle busting perspective than 4 of Rovers props, including the superstar that was the highest paid forward at Brisbane and was being touted for Man of Steel on here.
Whether you rate Dowes or not, and clearly you don't, and I don't, you'd look a complete chump singling out his tackle-busting as an embarrassment when he outperforms most Rovers props on this measure.
I note GML fails to point out in his glee at FC missing out on LMS and Fielden, that Rovers were definitely targetting Radford (a point GML himself has confirmed himself) yet couldn't manage even him.
Still, with Mason arriving in 2 days, and the tackle-busting marvels you already have, I'm sure that's all forgotten.

Nice try, but no cigar, I'm afraid. You specifically mocked Dowes' tackle-busting. His tackle-busting is better than that of Clinton, Watts, Wheeldon and Netherton. Dress it up how you like, but those are the facts.





Of course, as you confimed on here, Morgan did have a target prop, Radford, but were disappointed to miss out.

Oh, come on, Roofs, which bit is a lie?
Not the Radford bit, clearly:



Nor the stats bit on tacklebusting:
Dowes 15 in 25 = 0.60 per game
Clinton 13 in 23 = 0.57 per game
Watts 14 in 26 = 0.54 per game
Wheeldon 9 in 22 = 0.41 per game
Netherton 8 in 24 = 0.33 per game

Do be more specfic.

Where have these tacklebusting stats come from?

Oh dear.
We could get technical and point out that Morgan has a preference for more mobile props who cover the ground quicker and get a quicker play the ball away but i fear it would go completely over your head.
I await Ewan's line breaking performances with interest now

We could, but you tried that by singling out Dowes' tacklebusts as a specific area of weakness when he outperforms your MOS-elect as well as Watts in this respect. Best not.


Well based on last year's stats you'll wait less time to see one from Ewan than the majority of your props.

Yeah best not as you would be lost totally.
Dowes for England

Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Yeah best not as you would be lost totally. [uDowes for England[/u '" Been there, done that. www.englandrl.co.uk/internationa ... submit.y=8

Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Yeah best not as you would be lost totally. [uDowes for England[/u '" Been there, done that. www.englandrl.co.uk/internationa ... submit.y=8

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Been there, done that. www.englandrl.co.uk/internationa ... submit.y=8'" Tut, on form lately aren't ya Yorkie.

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Been there, done that. www.englandrl.co.uk/internationa ... submit.y=8'" Tut, on form lately aren't ya Yorkie.

Not really England was like a GB 2nd team in those days.
Lets see if Mrs B can come back with stats/averages based on actual minutes on the field seeing as she want more specific

Are you allowed to enter into a new negotiation whilst still reneging on the old one?

I'm well aware of that. You said England. Dowes has played for England. Same as Dowes has made more tackle busts both in absolute terms and per game than most of Rovers props. I know you don't like it, that's why you've tried to excuse Watts on the basis of position, despite the fact that there are actually backrowers like Manu who made over 90 last year, and you've challenged it on a "per game" basis and that didn't work either. Keep digging that hole though.

Blah Blah.
So tackle busts averages based on actual time spent on the field are what then.
Its a simple enough request


I mean come on, your delight when Clinton only played 2 short spells on his debut at Cas was all over this forum.
Just reply with the answer not your usual flannel.

You had a strop with the absolute numbers and demanded a per game number. I provided one which showed Dowes' supremacy. You tried to exclude Watts on the basis of position, which made you look more of an @rse because some backrowers can do 90+ a season. You're now asking for another set of measures which I don't even have the data to calculate. It's unlikely that Dowes would be trailing far behind this group of Rovers props as you imply, since he played 11 games off the bench, but I can see why you might want to try this as your other attempts to justify your mocking of Dowes tacklebusting have fallen sadly flat.

Face facts. He's actually not as cr@p as you'd like us to believe. It irks you that I've given you some stats to suggest he doesn't lag behind all Rovers props, even superstars Clinton and Watts, and has more tackle busts in absolute terms and per game than them, and Wheeldon, and Netherton. This is all the more astonishing when you consider his tackles + marker tackles were 741, compared to Clinton 541, Netherton 577, Watts 715 and Wheeldon 460. Big engine for Dowesy, then.



Fortunately, however, I do have the 2009 stats, which, amazingly, show the same picture (number of tackle busts and per game):


Dowes 25 1.14
Aizue 16 1.07
Vella 14 0.93
Netherton 12 0.60
Fozzard 11 0.55

In the context of tackles made (absolute and per game), it's quite extraordinary that he performs so well in both. Massive engine. Well done Dowesy






Dowes 781 35.5
Fozzard 574 28.7
Netherton 558 27.9
Vella 355 23.7
Aizue 216 14.4


The irony of you trying to hold someone to account given my sig is utterly delicious.

Give it a rest FFS!!!

Someone has to defend Dowes against this entirely unprovoked mockery, particularly when there's absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Still no minutes on the field comparison though but granted it would be a ball ache to find out but i had to put it to the test.



Fozzard was poor hence his departure and Vella was injury hit in 2009

Christmas colours are Red and White BTW

Morgan's response to Radford resigning for Hull was Que Sera Sera so not as disapointing as you hoped.

Wheeldon = Younger, more aggressive and his performances at the back end of last season were very good whilst the Dowes warmed his in the stands and as you state is 5th chioce at Hull now

Couldn't give a poop Mrs B, it's just getting tedious for the rest of us that's all!