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| Quote ="PAUL M"As opposed to Fox eh
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Fox is better than Raynor and about 7 years younger, Although his form badly dipped at the end of the season
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Fox is better than Raynor and about 7 years younger, Although his form badly dipped at the end of the season'"
Right now if I were picking a Rep side I would have Raynor in ahead of Fox. Nothing to do with playing for Rovers but I have always had doubts about him even at Wakey. He has age on his side and could develop into a very good winger but Raynor has a decent record against the Kiwis and the Aussies.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Right now if I were picking a Rep side I would have Raynor in ahead of Fox. Nothing to do with playing for Rovers but I have always had doubts about him even at Wakey. He has age on his side and could develop into a very good winger but Raynor has a decent record against the Kiwis and the Aussies.'"
Raynor's form doesn't warrant a place in front of Fox though even taking into account his tail off at the end of the season
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Fox is better than Raynor and about 7 years younger, Although his form badly dipped at the end of the season'"
Fox is younger I will give you that, but I still think that Raynor is a better winger than Fox, if he played for a better team such as Saints, Leeds or even Rovers last years he would have scored loads of trys. He never gets the ball at Hull. The only area that Fox is better IMO is speed. He has always doen well for GB when he has played.
The fact that Raynor getting on and that he has been part of a poor Hull team for the last two years is why he isnt in the England squad.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Fox is younger I will give you that, but I still think that Raynor is a better winger than Fox, if he played for a better team such as Saints, Leeds or even Rovers last years he would have scored loads of trys. He never gets the ball at Hull. The only area that Fox is better IMO is speed. He has always doen well for GB when he has played.
The fact that Raynor getting on and that he has been part of a poor Hull team for the last two years is why he isnt in the England squad.'"
in his prime Raynor was a class act.....he has now lost that half yard of pace which is important to any winger and has gone from being 'a class act' to just decent. Put him with a decent centre & he will score the tries but not from 90 metres out.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Fox is younger I will give you that, but I still think that Raynor is a better winger than Fox, if he played for a better team such as Saints, Leeds or even Rovers last years he would have scored loads of trys. He never gets the ball at Hull. The only area that Fox is better IMO is speed. He has always doen well for GB when he has played.
The fact that Raynor getting on and that he has been part of a poor Hull team for the last two years is why he isnt in the England squad.'" That and the fact he can only run from side to side.
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| Fox's game really goes on confidence, if he catches his first one or two bombs then he has the confidence and goes on to have a good game, if his confidence is knocked early on with a knock-on ect, then he goes on to have a mare of a game.
Which centre will be playing inside him?
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| I suppose we should all be happy that a well respected, experienced coach with a succesful career is choosing the side he thinks will do a better job against the best from down under, rather than fans from the other side who undoubtedly have their own agenda.
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| Quote ="rovers r red"in his prime Raynor was a class act.....he has now lost that half yard of pace which is important to any winger and has gone from being 'a class act' to just decent. Put him with a decent centre & he will score the tries but not from 90 metres out.'"
You might be right, saying that he hasnt had the chance for the last two years for Hull
I think it is time to give some younger players a chance for GB an dtry and build a team for the future.
I dont think Tom Briscoe is ready for international football yet, but I would have had him in front of Sykes (there are also plenty of other I would have had in front of him), that along with the hooker situation in the only disapointment in the squad for me.
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| Quote ="Dave K."You might be right, saying that he hasnt had the chance for the last two years for Hull
I think it is time to give some younger players a chance for GB an dtry and build a team for the future.
I dont think Tom Briscoe is ready for international football yet, but I would have had him in front of Sykes (there are also plenty of other I would have had in front of him), that along with the hooker situation in the only disapointment in the squad for me.'"
personally i would like to see the likes of Briscoe, Tomkins & Eastmond bloodied in these 4 nations........they are the future.........even if they're not quite international class the experience would be invaluable.
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| Quote ="Bertie"I suppose we should all be happy that a well respected, experienced coach with a succesful career is choosing the side he thinks will do a better job against the best from down under, rather than fans from the other side who undoubtedly have their own agenda.'"
Why does everything with you have to come down to Hull and Rovers. We are surely able to discuss players on their abilities rather than which club they play for?
The one reason Ryanor is not in is probably down to the fact he was injured for a long time last season and also the fact that Smith seems to want to move the squad on and pick and blood some younger players.
Not being picked for GB or England does not make you a bad player.
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| Quote ="Dave K."
I dont think Tom Briscoe is ready for international football yet, but I would have had him in front of Sykes '"
I'd put Melanie Sykes in the team before ever picking that muppet from Bradford again.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Why does everything with you have to come down to Hull and Rovers. We are surely able to discuss players on their abilities rather than which club they play for?
The one reason Ryanor is not in is probably down to the fact he was injured for a long time last season and also the fact that Smith seems to want to move the squad on and pick and blood some younger players.
Not being picked for GB or England does not make you a bad player.'"
Perhaps you would be better placed to post this opinion on your own board because it appears you have forgotten the countless threads started by hull fans in the past which seem to invalidate your comments.
Back to the thread, it appears Smith is finally turning to the younger players and form players in an effort to improve our International standing.
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| Quote ="Pudsey Robin"That and the fact he can only run from side to side.'"
His style is to run from side, but it often causes defences probelms, his offloading ability is one of the best in game. It's just a shame that our players are smart enough to react to some of these situations.
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| Quote ="Bertie"Perhaps you would be better placed to post this opinion on your own board because it appears you have forgotten the countless threads started by hull fans in the past which seem to invalidate your comments.
Back to the thread, it appears Smith is finally turning to the younger players and form players in an effort to improve our International standing.'"
So lets all adopt that mentality eh.
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| Quote ="j_hunter_hkr"He's sh*t.'"
Talk sense...............just because he plays for F.C.
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Our Briscoe wasn't in the squad for the Wales game. Be interesting to see how Tom Briscoe goes, brilliant hopefully because he looks like he could be an absolute star for England, and unfortunately FC.
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| Quote ="pmh"Our Briscoe wasn't in the squad for the Wales game. Be interesting to see how Tom Briscoe goes, brilliant hopefully because he looks like he could be an absolute star for England, and unfortunately FC.
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Didn't realise he wasn't included Think your right about Tom, this experience can only improve his game.
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| Quote ="Little Robin Redhead"Didn't realise he wasn't included
Think your right about Tom, this experience can only improve his game.'"
Think some of the nailed on players for the following game were give the Wales game off. I'd fully expect Shaun Briscoe to start in the following game and then Tom Briscoe hasnt made that squad as the other grand final players come into the squad etc.
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| Good to see Fox getting a run out
Im sure tony smith will keep an eye in case Smith or Hall get injured
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I've never been Smith's biggest fan, but this isn't a development squad. We should pick the best available players and if he is one of them I'm fine with it. I've got no issue with him going to Union and I'd hope we wouldn't regard players who do as traitors or anything silly like that.'" No disrespect MR but if Smith turns his back on RL then RL should do the same thing to Smith IMHO.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"No disrespect MR but if Smith turns his back on RL then RL should do the same thing to Smith IMHO.'"
Agree totally. I can not see any benefit in picking a guy who in 4 weeks leaves our great game. Also surprised Waps allowed this to happen.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Agree totally. I can not see any benefit in picking a guy who in 4 weeks leaves our great game. Also surprised Waps allowed this to happen.'"
Just dont get it at all. Dont think many fans do get it to be honest. Why give Lee Smith a game when Tom Briscoe or other young backs could be getting the experience for the future.
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