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| Who you been listening to in the streets, Bighead, Seb, Hullwhitestar?
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| Quote ="Rover in Oz"Are you speaking for every hull fan, because it looks like many aren't ?'"
You can't have been reading our board then, all positive on there it seems.
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| Interesting to see the reaction of the Saints fans to losing Long and to possibily signing Dobson which a lot of them where praying not to happen. Long is held by many as the best scrum half in the league and he's definitley one of the best.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"Interesting to see the reaction of the Saints fans to losing Long and to possibily signing Dobson which a lot of them where praying not to happen. Long is held by many as the best scrum half in the league and he's definitley one of the best.'"
TBF Saints fans are well known for being thickits
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"TBF Saints fans are well known for being thickits
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Whereas the Rovers fans are known for...
I've also seen Leeds/Bradford/Wigan/Wire fans saying he's one of the best SH in the league. If you can name 3 SH's in this league better then him I'd be very suprised.
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| I seem to have missed the medals won column
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| Long is a really good player but to be fair he is getting on abit now( in terms of his position) that’s why saints cant give him 2 years because they know that he has 1 last season in him at his peak.
I think he will play well for you and for most clubs he would be an outstanding player, but lets face it saints are moving forward with new players and releasing older ones
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| Quote ="C.K.R"Long is a really good player but to be fair he is getting on abit now( in terms of his position) that’s why saints cant give him 2 years because they know that he has 1 last season in him at his peak.
I think he will play well for you and for most clubs he would be an outstanding player, but lets face it saints are moving forward with new players and releasing older ones'"
They don't KNOW that but as with Cunningham it'd be much better for Saints to carry him on 1 year deals just in case.
Stacey Jones was around his age when playing for Cats and he is currently playing for the Warriors now, hes a top player and Brett Kimmorely is the best HB in the NRL at this moment in time. Class is permenent.
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| According to your own board if Thacks and Cussack stay Hull will have nine players over 30 + next season......is this a record for Super League.
Will they be wheeled out to Dads army
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| Thisis a gamble and if Hull are willing to take it then so be it. If it pays off he'll be very good, give direction and experience and can kill teams.
There needs to be a decent succession plan for him that needs to be in place inside a year and it would have to be more then a whim of Thurston coming as it wont happen.
The downside is that he is statistically more likely to be injured and injured for longer than a player 10 years younger. If I was an FC fan my worry would be that your in for another player who plays either strapped up or manages less than 50% of games for the season.
As for 3 better SH's in SL. It al depends on who they play for atthe time. If Myler was at saints with the runners and pack they have he'd be the best, as would dobson, sherwin etc...
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| Quote ="Rover in Oz"According to your own board if Thacks and Cussack stay Hull will have nine players over 30 + next season......is this a record for Super League.
Will they be wheeled out to Dads army
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No but there'll be Zimmer frames placed out for the warm up instead of tackle pads.
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| Quote ="barham red"Thisis a gamble and if Hull are willing to take it then so be it. If it pays off he'll be very good, give direction and experience and can kill teams.
There needs to be a decent succession plan for him that needs to be in place inside a year and it would have to be more then a whim of Thurston coming as it wont happen.
The downside is that he is statistically more likely to be injured and injured for longer than a player 10 years younger. If I was an FC fan my worry would be that your in for another player who plays either strapped up or manages less than 50% of games for the season.
As for 3 better SH's in SL. It al depends on who they play for atthe time. If Myler was at saints with the runners and pack they have he'd be the best, as would dobson, sherwin etc...'"
Fair points but with a fit Dykes in 2008 we'd have performed a lot better league wise - and who knows what might have happened at Wembley if he'd played? After all Dykes virtually got us there on one leg. But Long is not in the state that Dykes was so I expect him to play a fair number of games, unless someone does a Newton on him.
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| To be fair, those stats are pretty conclusive!
Just while we are on the topic of Scrum Half's though. It'll be interesting to see how Sean Long adapts, to work with a less skilful Pack than what he has been used to.
Cos believe it or not, I actually rated Thorman before he went to Hull!
Good players don't become bad players overnight.
A good half back operating with an inept pack is a recipe for disaster in my eyes.
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| Of the options available to them, Hull have probably made a good choice, IMO. Even at 33, he should improve them. He is proven quality in a position in which they have been lacking it. He'll be a new leader among the players, something I think they need, and he'll postpone for at least another year any thoughts of season-ticket boycotts.
For us, he should make a top panto villain. It is always funnier when a high profile signing disappoints (I haven't the heart to laugh at Thorman, in all honesty) and if he turns out to be brilliant it'll at least be brief and we can go on about how they are going to fall apart without him in 2012.
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| Dobson or Long ?
Long is an excellent player who is not as good as he was in recent years, he will not get any better. Also there must be a question about his ability to perform as well in a mediocre side rather than a world class side, how much of his game was about playing with class from 1 to 13. Good option by FC though as they need a 7 badly and he will give them the breathing space to either bring one through the ranks or look elswhere.
Dobson is also an excellent player and making the assumption he will still be with us long term I have no doubt about having him over a 32 yrs old who will inevitably have a decline in standards over the next two years. Dobson will get better and with the right coaching and in a side where he is the main playmaker, he could become world class as Long once was.
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| Quote ="Bransholme Red"The stats say it all.
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well he hasnt signed for you so why you even bothering? you got nothing else to do or something? look up how many winners medals he has compared to Dobson and how many career points etc...just silly art you
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| history won't win you future medals!
Bit of a gamble but given Hull's current lack of talent they aren't really going to lose anything if he ends up injured or dropping down a gear or two.
I'd still take Dobson on a 4 year contract over Long on two years any day of the week.
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| Quote ="Fc Til I Die 316"well he hasnt signed for you so why you even bothering? you got nothing else to do or something? look up how many winners medals he has compared to Dobson and how many career points etc...just silly art you'"
His cupboard is full, apparently he has no more room for medals so he signed for FC
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| Look on the brightside at least the signing of Long makes up for missing out on Crocker...i love the FC board
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| Quote ="Bransholme Red"The stats say it all.
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Is there a table showing international caps, CC and GF winners medals and Lance Todd trophies won?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Is there a table showing international caps, CC and GF winners medals and Lance Todd trophies won?'"
Yes you can bet your bottom dollar that Longy will be up there looking at international caps, final medals etc... however seeing as those would be from fprevious seasons they are not included on the current stats.
Longy... has done OK with the Saints pack but goodness knows what will happen with your set of forwards
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| Quote ="Basil Fawlty"Yes you can bet your bottom dollar that Longy will be up there looking at international caps, final medals etc... however seeing as those would be from fprevious seasons they are not included on the current stats.
Longy... has done OK with the Saints pack but goodness knows what will happen with your set of forwards
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And just think what dobson would be like in a quality side
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"And just think what dobson would be like in a quality side'"
As opposed to one in 2nd place
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| Long has played 2 less and IIRC he had to come off before half time twice?
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