Oh dear.

The Allams haven't paid for a single thing that we should have paid for under the terms of our lease and contract. Not one single thing.

It's a mess, but only partly down to the RFL. IMO the various club chairmen haven't exactly covered themselves in glory over the years. Lots of short-sighted decisions made without regard to knock-on effects or long-term planning. Although that's common in sports management across the board TBH.

Ironically, a lot of these people running/funding clubs are very successful businessmen, but when it comes to sport they have business acumen 'brainfarts'. Wasn't it Alan Sugar who said buying a football club was the worst business decision he has ever made.

No he didn't...
Referring to Wigan, the part you allude to...
....They have a fantastic infrastructure, they probably have more support staff and backroom staff than they have players. They have conditioners, sports scientists, that earn more than THE head coach and 4 or 5 internationals as assistant coaches...

No, no mention of CS there.
Very poor to make things up, not classy from TF.

Isn't it going to be the KC north stand? Unless you want the Hudgell and Crossland KC North Stand. Does have a good ring to it

Thats my thoughts on it too , why pay a lease agreement and then have to pay for upkeep to be done , you wouldnt pay rent on a house and then have to Pay for a new boiler would you ? Unless of course its in the lease agreement (and therein lies the question)

Don't agree fully with your quote as Rovers lease Craven Park and we've happily built infastructure etc. Craven Park is much different though I guess in that we keep everything we make at Craven Park where at the KC The SMC take a percentage of everything. That is where I think it's rude for Hull FC to have to contribute.

Surely some of the cost will be down to the SMC, after all the two clubs don't get benefit from any neutral games or concerts, all of which cause wear and tear to the pitch.

Thanks Frankie, saved me the time of posting it. Not once did Neil mention Sandercock's pay. However, this ins't a surprise that Tarquin Fuego mentions something that wasn't actually true, he's got lots of form for being a blatant liar.

just a small point ginge, but where not all scum, hopefully you guys get it sorted, we need 2 hull teams in sl , long live the derbies

The problem you've got in trying to run a club as a business is that you're not just competing against other businesses, you're competing with organisations happy (or at least willing) to lose money to get on field success.

That is a big part of why Hull KR has not been able to 'wipe its face' or compete consistently towards the top end of the league. NH seems to have realised/decided that the only way we can get the type of success he wants is to extend the benefactor model.

A big (well, massive) push could perhaps see us be more sustainable in the long-ish term. Warrington fans claim that they could get by pretty well without Moran now. NH and RC are only able to fight the fires each year, to stop us burning down rather than putting the additional infrastructure in place to build us up. There's a fantastic opportunity for somebody to take us on, it just isn't a business opportunity. And it likely lapses in a few months.

There seems to be a lot of ill-feeling between certain posters on here. At the end of the day we should worry about our club and you should worry about yours. FWIW i really hope you get your finances sorted out and continue in Super league. Lets just all cool down eh??

spot on with that post, I have no love whatsoever for rovers, but would not like to see them go down we (fc) need the derbys, and so does the rugby league

I don't have any ill feeling for anyone, I'll still argue with them all though.

I feel ill when I read your posts

As an outsider I wonder how much of this decision from Mr Hudgell is down to the recent changes to the rules relating fees and Personal Injury claims?

I know that a lot of solicitors are very worried about the future due to ceilings placed on fees and a large firm which has built its business on personal injury may well soon feel the pinch.

Circumstances beyond his control?

Looking to focus on the longevity of his main earning capability?

Being honest I think the Bradford situation has had an effect as well.
The impression I am getting is 'Why should I fund HKR so they are solvent and safe when others can mismanage and instead of the rules being followed they will be twisted when it suits'

Understandable, I make myself nauseous at times.

It's possible, but I think most likely it is mainly about what he says it is. He and Rob Crossland have taken the club as far (a fair old way) as they can and things need to change. He acknowledged his other commitments - family, business etc and I'm sure quite a few things contributed to it.
Without wishing speculate too much, I do wonder if delays with the North Stand have eaten into the budget for next year already, and perhaps made him feel he is absolved of any responsibility he might have felt to go around again for HCC. He talked a while back (maybe as much as two years ago, I forget), about seeing out this licence period, which would take him to 10 years in charge, which he regarded as plenty.

We've known it was coming, and we've hopefully got a good chance of a smooth transition, or at worst a soft landing.

Found this article from the picture payment kerfuffle at the KC. The £1.5m seems to be for all maintenance at the KC, including the pitch, if i read it correctly.
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Maybe this is what they mean about the 300k although no mention of this in the article..
"The SMC made a net loss of £409,000 in 2011-12, including a £208,000 net loss on rugby-related costs."
"This means that the SMC is no longer able to offer its tenants additional benefits which fall outside their existing tenancy or commercial agreements on a 'free of charge' basis"
Was/is the pay for pic just the tip of the iceberg?

I cant understand that logic. If they stop funding HKR and they do go bust, they lose control of it. If the RFL bend the rules or whatever to keep HKR in like they did Bradford, then what?

Bradford weren’t rescued by the RFL, however much you think the RFL did for them. Bradford were saved by Omar Khan. If Hudgell and Crossland decide they don’t want to fund them anymore, and they pull out and HKR follow the same path, then even if the RFL help them in the same way, they need to find an Omar Khan to come in and fund them on-going. Which is pretty much exactly where they are now. Either Hudgell and Crossland fund them or a new person does. Whatever the rules are regarding any gap between those two points, long term someone needs to be funding them.

No they bought the lease on Odsal for the good of their health obviously.
They lent them stacks of cash before that for the very same reason as well it seems.

If you also want to pretend they didn't twist (Notice I didn't say break) the rules as well feel free.

I feel a lot more positive after what neil hudgell said on radio and I do believe he find a new backer to take the club forward. what matters most is our club not anyone elses. I do give a monkeys what mrs b and her cronies say. i see it as a new chapter in our history and moving forward

Edited for brevity.

Im not really arguing the rule breaking, whether they did or didn’t isn’t relevant to the point im trying to make. Whatever the details of Bradfords help, or whatever the rights and wrongs of it, they aren’t really relevant either.

What I am saying is that the help the RFL gave Bradford isn’t going to change HKR’s situation. Right Now HKR are making a loss and Hudgell and Crossland are funding that right now but are looking for someone else to do so. If HKR take out a loan from the RFL and sell their lease and pay a market rent to the RFL then whats going to change? HKR will still be operating at a loss and still needing someone to fund that loss. They will just owe the RFL a couple of million on top of that. If they go bust, even if the RFL bend over backwards to keep them in, even if they go above and beyond what they did for Bradford. HKR will still be a club, operating at a loss, looking for someone new to fund it.

It is a structural problem in HKRs business model. It’s the most obvious and sadly common one, they don’t have the fanbase to compete at the level they currently are. It is a long term job to change that, requiring long term investment and that isn’t going to be rectified by short-term RFL help