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| Basil :
Or journey has only just begun. We still have many more derbies to be won, many more place offs to reach and leave many more hull fans even more bitter.
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| Quote ="Bertie"Basil :
Or journey has only just begun. We still have many more derbies to be won, many more place offs to reach and leave many more hull fans even more bitter.'"
So the sum total of your ambitions are to beat Hull FC and reach the top 8?
As for bitter, nah, not me. In the 32 years I've been supporting Hull, Rovers have had the upper hand for about 5 seasons. The last two years are more to do with our failings than yourselves.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"So the sum total of your ambitions are to beat Hull FC and reach the top 8?
As for bitter, nah, not me. In the 32 years I've been supporting Hull, Rovers have had the upper hand for about 5 seasons. The last two years are more to do with our failings than yourselves.'"
ABOUT 5 seasons - has that been rounded down for your purposes???
Never mind - as I keep saying it's only you Dull fans opinionated about Rovers at the mo'
Soon as the season starts most will be off this board pronto and asking for heads to roll
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"So you don't know then.
I do. It was £750,000 as already mentioned.
[urlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/998647.stm[/url
The same article also states they got £1.25m from the merger.'"
Also quotes a very optimistic Mr Richardson as saying "We are now on target to become the only debt-free Super League club by 2001 and that would put us in a sensational position,"
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| It could all be sorted this week anyway
It's a double rollover on Wednesday
[size=200IT COULD BE YOU..........[/size
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Indeed.
Though it has to be said Rovers have sold their ground......Twice.'"
Which was given to them for peanuts in the first place and sponsorship from wastewise? (council owned)
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| so much bitterness at xmas....
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| Quote ="BESTY"Which was given to them for peanuts in the first place and sponsorship from wastewise? (council owned)'"
TBF there was a restrictive covenant placed on the land at the time of purchase and it was better for the council to have the land used than to remain barren for years. Also Wastewise pulled out when Rovers went into administraion.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"So the sum total of your ambitions are to beat Hull FC and reach the top 8?
As for bitter, nah, not me. In the 32 years I've been supporting Hull, Rovers have had the upper hand for about 5 seasons. The last two years are more to do with our failings than yourselves.'"
Are you being serious, and if so can you list your 5 Seasons.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Are you being serious, and if so can you list your 5 Seasons.'"
You would need an exceptionally good memory to do that.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Are you being serious, and if so can you list your 5 Seasons.'"
Yeah, list them as I can only get 4
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"TBF there was a restrictive covenant placed on the land at the time of purchase and it was better for the council to have the land used than to remain barren for years. Also Wastewise pulled out when Rovers went into administraion.'"
A covenant which was subsequently lifted so rovers could sell off some of the land due to financial problems. The council later bought back the land they had given rovers in the first place.
No issue from me for them doing it but rovers fans really shouldn't bleat about getting support from the local authority
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"A covenant which was subsequently lifted so rovers could sell off some of the land due to financial problems. The council later bought back the land they had given rovers in the first place.
No issue from me for them doing it but rovers fans really shouldn't bleat about getting support from the local authority'"
They bought the land then immediately leased it back on a 250 year lease, therefore it becomes an investment. In all honesty Hull fans shouldn't be so smug about council involvment in club finances when you consider the leg ups they have received in the past 10 years or so.
Also iirc HCC originally got £155k for the site, well below market value, but not free as some have alluded to.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"There are 2 parts to a balance sheet, net assets and shareholders funds, which have to balance. You don't just adjust the P&L reserves (in the shareholders funds section) with no impact on net assets.
Take Rovers 2008 accounts. Loss of 447,462, negative movement on P&L Reserves, plus a £250 increase in Share capital = -447,712 movement in shareholders funds
Movement in net assets = -447,712
Increase in Fixed assets = +373,807
Decrease in current assets = -69,036
Increase in creditors = -751,983
Total reduction in net assets = -447,212
Or looking at it another way, Rovers creditors have gone up £752k to fund a P&L loss of £448k and investment in fixed assets of £373k.
Depreciation charge was £108k BTW so relatively immaterial.
Rovers have only £12k cash. Therefore if they are buying say £100k of turnstiles, the double entry is Debit Fixed Assets, Credit - guess what -Creditors. Which are in current liabilities.
You would have the cash, that's right, but Rovers don't have any cash at bank (apart from the 12k). So if a sponsor paid up front for 3 years, that would be Debit Overdraft (Creditors) Credit Deferred Income (Creditors). So net nil balance sheet impact.
There is no full disclosure of creditors, granted. But the facts are as follows. Rovers have lost (excluding the 2009 loss of £450,000 already declared by Hudgell) £1.5m since 2004 and invested £1.2m in fixed assets. Their creditors have increased by £3m over that time period. They have only a minimal cash balance.
It seems that you haven't seen Rovers accounts at all, but make the fair point that some comments are speculation. There are other sorts of information like Dun and Bradstreet reports and also the comments of the chairman in online and newspaper interviews which suggest the club is heavily indebted to its directors. As are most SL clubs.'"
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Are you being serious, and if so can you list your 5 Seasons.'"
OK six although of course I'd not expect you to agree with me.
1978-79 - We were won Division 2, Rovers won Division 1 (although we had a bigger average attendance)
1980-81 - Rovers finished a few places and 4 points higher than us
1983-84 and 1984-85 - Rovers were Champions.
Last two seasons.
We've been top dog in tweny-odd out of 31 seasons. Not a bad record at all.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"OK six although of course I'd not expect you to agree with me.
1978-79 - We were won Division 2, Rovers won Division 1 (although we had a bigger average attendance)
1980-81 - Rovers finished a few places and 4 points higher than us
1983-84 and 1984-85 - Rovers were Champions.
Last two seasons.
We've been top dog in tweny-odd out of 31 seasons. Not a bad record at all.'"
Even die hard Hull fans would have you down as deluded fella.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Even die hard Hull fans would have you down as deluded fella.'"
Cant believe he is attempting to state that having a bigger average attendance could cancel out winning the first division championship! On that basis we would have to give them 83/84 and 84/85.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"OK six although of course I'd not expect you to agree with me.
1978-79 - We were won Division 2, Rovers won Division 1 (although we had a bigger average attendance)
1980-81 - Rovers finished a few places and 4 points higher than us
1983-84 and 1984-85 - Rovers were Champions.
Last two seasons.
We've been top dog in tweny-odd out of 31 seasons. Not a bad record at all.'"
Did you deliberately omit the 1980 season??
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Cant believe he is attempting to state that having a bigger average attendance could cancel out winning the first division championship! On that basis we would have to give them 83/84 and 84/85.
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Read it again thicko.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Even die hard Hull fans would have you down as deluded fella.'"
I'm willing to hear which other seasons I've omitted.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"
We've been top dog in tweny-odd out of 31 seasons. Not a bad record at all.'"
You wont be proven wrong with that statement I reckon.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Read it again thicko.'"
What other reason could you have had for including the average attendance statement? I'll refrain from coming back at you with a personal insult. Usually a sign of lack of intelligence in my experience.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"What other reason could you have had for including the average attendance statement? I'll refrain from coming back at you with a personal insult. Usually a sign of lack of intelligence in my experience.
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On a serious note you admit to always struggling attendance wise even as the then RL Div 1 Champions however the key to your financial security seems to be built around a 'build it and they will come' philosophy ie extend the stadium and average over 10k consistently.
Is this realistic? Are there fans waiting to make an appearance at Craven park?
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| Quote ="knocker norton"On a serious note you admit to always struggling attendance wise even as the then RL Div 1 Champions however the key to your financial security seems to be built around a 'build it and they will come' philosophy ie extend the stadium and average over 10k consistently.
Is this realistic? Are there fans waiting to make an appearance at Craven park?'"
Blind faith? Finger in the air guess? Head in the sand approach?
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