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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"We're half way through the season, he was in the side at the beggining of the year and didn't perform, in fact gave away a tonne of penalties so he was rightly dropped.
Knuckle down in training and get yourself back in the team, or alternatively, cry like a big baby and go off in a strop.
Don't let the door hit you on the backside on your way out Liam.'"
he has turned out to be a penalty machine should be a big loss but isnt on the form of the last season and half
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| He seems very typical of a lot of players who are from Cas, show lots of potential but the attitude / application is wrong. As Sandra says he was rightly dropped, complete penalty machine and wasn't learning from his mistakes, obviously doesn't want to knuckle down so it makes sense to get him off the wage bill for next year. I'd like to think we could hold out for a fee but maybe this cap / budget is needed to either tie up a signing or go towards a contract improvement for someone like Taylor.
It would make sense for him to be looking towards FC, minimal travelling and it would reunite him with a few of his ex-cas mates (Westerman and Arundal)
Either way, I would hope its the last time he plays for us, even if injuries kick in I would rather play a someone else rather than give him game time now.
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"So what you are saying Paul is that London paid up his Rovers contract then paid him a wage until the end of the season?'"
In a roundabout way yes. Rovers where well within their rights to seek compensation but instead a severance payment was negotiated (between Rovers and Scott) which the Broncos paid. Because of the nature of the arrangement the settlement tends to be a nominal sum, Scott will have then negotiated a contract with the Broncos.
In the case of Liam Watts. Even though he has been given permission to talk to other clubs he is still under contract. Rovers can still demand a fee for him. Liam can still expect to receive a settlement if he leaves before his contract expires.
Lets not forget though, Liam might do a Mills and sit out his contract if it isn't matched (or bettered) by another club.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Depends what his wage is like, and whether there is any competition for his signature.
Lots of talent - it really should feel like a big blow... but it doesn't. Probably best all around. It'll be interesting to see who comes in for him.'"
There is sure to be interest already. What (for example) would be the difference compared to Jay Pitts move to Hull? If someone wants him, its a crime to rip up his contract and see nothing for the investment the club has made and not seen a return on it.
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| [i"Tapped up by us months ago"[/i is the exact phrase a B&W colleague has used today. This particular one has a patchy track record so it may be bogus.
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| Quote ="SirStan"There is sure to be interest already. What (for example) would be the difference compared to Jay Pitts move to Hull? If someone wants him, its a crime to rip up his contract and see nothing for the investment the club has made and not seen a return on it.'"
It's not like I don't want a fee, but on the other hand it's unlikely to be a big one. There might be an argument for getting him off the wage bill ASAP and knowing where we stand for next year rather than holding out for a deal. Depends how keen we are to see him move on.
Lovegrove and Murrell should be keepers now, IMO.
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| I'd replace him in the 1st team squad with James Green with immediate effect. It appears our Liam has been taking dummy spitting lessons off tommyfromhull.
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| Quote ="SirStan"[i"Tapped up by us months ago"[/i is the exact phrase a B&W colleague has used today. This particular one has a patchy track record so it may be bogus.'"
They can pay a fee!
Anybody worth swapping for? I'd take Horne's last contracted year to play fullback, if they made up the difference in wages.
Tbf, it'd possibly be a decent move for him. If the rumours are as true as they are persistant, it seems like a heck of risk for them though. OTOH, they could be a mix of nonsense and exaggeration - a lot of rumours are.
Sheldon would be delighted!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"They can pay a fee!
Anybody worth swapping for? I'd take Horne's last contracted year to play fullback, if they made up the difference in wages.
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I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole nowadays. Way past his sell by date and it will only get worse injurywise.
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| We (the club) must be in the driving seat with regards to favourable £ conditions to Watts' impending departure.
If the HDM are spot on (*[ilike they always are[/i) with regards that Watts could even leave this season - you'd like to think we've got something lined up. Letting him go to a play off rival now, would be a little silly otherwise.
Watts' career @ Rovers will always be remembered as an 'if only' scenario imo. He has shown glimpses of promise but never really kicked on thereafter. He's obviously highly rated away from the club, so let's see if anyone else can get the lad to consistently perform. There's clearly a good player in there but there also appears to be a bit of a problem too. He came to us with a history and I recall him saying as much in a Sky interview. Getting away from Cas was key to him turning his career around (or something to that effect). If the rumours are to be believed and he maybe Hull bound, then good luck.
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| still has the potential to be a fantastic player but for whatever reason that's not materialising at the moment. It feels like he's he's chucking the towel in a bit early with regards to trying to fulfil that potential at Rovers but perhaps his hand is being forced by the club not being willing to invest any more time into waiting for Liam to perform consistently. If sandercock doesn't think Watts is worth persevering with then you could argue that Watts hasn't done enough to suggest that that is a wrong decision. If on the other hand this is Watts wanting out at the first sign of having to work hard for his place in the team then I would suggest it's probably better not to have a player with that attitude in the squad anyway.
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| Quote ="stew"still has the potential to be a fantastic player but for whatever reason that's not materialising at the moment. It feels like he's he's chucking the towel in a bit early with regards to trying to fulfil that potential at Rovers but perhaps his hand is being forced by the club not being willing to invest any more time into waiting for Liam to perform consistently. If sandercock doesn't think Watts is worth persevering with then you could argue that Watts hasn't done enough to suggest that that is a wrong decision. If on the other hand this is Watts wanting out at the first sign of having to work hard for his place in the team then I would suggest it's probably better not to have a player with that attitude in the squad anyway.'"
For a bloke with only 52 posts this is bang on the money.
Damn you stew, with your fancy, well thought out posts. Coming over here, stealing our thunder.
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| Yeah Stew, I much prefer being a numpty anyway.
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| I would be happy if we went in for him, the kid clearly has potential, young and British all bodes for a good recipe imo,... maybe a change of scenery could help him to find his form again, would be worth investing in.
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| I agree with the majority of whats being said here, however with the clubs new 'signing policy' you would think they would be trying to hold on to young english players with lots of potential!?
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| The good Liam Watts is one of the most talented young English forwards in the game with good go forward and a sublime off load.
The bad Liam Watts is a lazy disinterested penalty machine who prefers to play hard off the field.
Whoever gets him needs to ensure they get the latter.
You pays your money you takes your chance.
Stagnated for me and best for both parties that he moves on.
Lots of changes ahead in the make up of the 2013 squad.
Tip of the iceberg this.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The good Liam Watts is one of the most talented young English forwards in the game with good go forward and a sublime off load.
The bad Liam Watts is a lazy disinterested penalty machine who prefers to play hard off the field.
Whoever gets him needs to ensure they get the latter.
You pays your money you takes your chance.
Stagnated for me and best for both parties that he moves on.
Lots of changes ahead in the make up of the 2013 squad.
Tip of the iceberg this.'"
I think you mean former rather than latter - unless he is off to Hull, then maybe a Freudian slip?
Speculating wildly, but I do wonder if there has been some confusion over whether he is ooc (which 'we' thought he was until the other day), or which side had the option of another year, or some such. You'd think his agent would be all over that though. Mind, Hull fans believe that Manu tried to back out of his move to Saints without having checked Hull still had a deal for him, so anything is possible. Do you need a licence to be an agent? Might set up shop.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"I think everyone is missing the point. If we want to build from youngsters, this is one we don't want to let go. We need to find out why he wants to leave and try and sort it out or else we'll end up like Cas.'"
I think actually it's you who is missing the point, why on earth do we need to keep him, been garbage since his first call up fot the England Knights. If he wants away, fair enough let him go and move on, where not exactly losing a quality player.
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| Quote ="Bet Lynch"I would be happy if we went in for him, the kid clearly has potential, young and British all bodes for a good recipe imo,... maybe a change of scenery could help him to find his form again, would be worth investing in.'"
So he could be back playing alongside his old booze buddy back from his days at Cas for FC next season eh?
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"So he could be back playing alongside his old booze buddy back from his days at Cas for FC next season eh?'"
Surely your not silly enough to think they stopped socializing with one another just because they play for different teams
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| Wakefield me thinks , were holding out for Taylor n lovegrove
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| Quote ="Bet Lynch"Surely your not silly enough to think they stopped socializing with one another just because they play for different teams
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| Quote ="Pjhoe"Wakefield me thinks , were holding out for Taylor n lovegrove'"
Why would a big club like Hull want any Rovers players?
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| Quote ="Edith"Why would a big club like Hull want any Rovers players?'"
Because Taylor is gonna be a class act
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