Id agree with that.
I still maintain he is over rated though for his all round game and nothing will change that opinion.

But you originally said this



Maybe because we see those35-40 tackles every week means we appreciate what he does and that's why we like him?
Plus his double figure tries every year, his countless try assists & his pretty good kicking game.

Not seen enough of Dallas Johnson, but outside that he's the best 13 in the comp for me.

But despite that you don't think he's any good? I wonder who's opinion I should listen to then!

Look at all Emile Heskey's England Caps.
Coaches get it wrong you know in every sport

Somehow, I'd take a world class and successful coach's view of Heskey, and what he wants him in the team for, rather than yours

And somehow i couldnt care less what you think son

Touche'!

Not really mate.
Im sure there are players who i rate and you dont.
Its all about opinions.
Im not knocking you for yours,just dont agree with it thats all.

If someone is regularly topping the tackle count week in/out aswell as captaining the side and chipping in with yardage too then I can't see how he can be overrated?

I can understand you not liking him, which is perfectly fine but his workrate is what people rate about him. I would have had him in the England 17 easily.

Lets face it, hes just a poor mans radders

To be fair, thats not hard at Wigan is it?

is that the wigan side you said your well oiled forwards would do well against and win by 4 ! told you what would happen !

Point missed by a country mile. Bless.

dont believe all you read !

blinkered fan

how will they do this week?

Still missing the point! I will spell it out slowly so you can digest it:

Its e-a-s-y to get the j-o-b of c-a-p-t-a-i-n-i-n-g W-i-g-a-n because they have more c-a-p-t-a-i-n-s than anyone else!

Jeez this is hard work.

WIGAN have 5 captains do they not Goroka?? WIth 1 nominated as the on field captain for the each game. It is a well used practice in NRL by all acounts and something the new coach has implemented there.

@allworknoplay did you not notice the underlining of the most relevant part of the quoted post?

yes i did

but couldnt resist getting goraka going as his/her knowledge of rugby is 2nd to none

with all inter changes these days wigan have got it right and its just another part of aussie ideas being used here

And something I can see other clubs doing in future seasons.

As for the 'over-rated' O'Loughln. The official tackle count was 48! Just remind me again how many players in SL get through this amount of work during a game? "Over-rated"??? You couldn't make it up!

Silly squabbles aside, as I was sat, trying to think about things other than immediate game (I'd already read all the advertising hoardings) I wondered how does this work in practice?

Only the captain can approach the referee to ask for clarification on things, if you've got three of your five captains on the park at any one time, how does the referee know who's the relevant one? Can't they all just go up to him and start haranging him?

No, it's effectively a 'leadership team' of senior professionals but only 1 is nominated as captain for each game and leads the team out,speaks to the ref etc. The '5 captains' label is a bit of a misnomer really. I'm fairly sure the club has never referred to it as such, but the media obviously liked it as an attention grabbing headline, wherafter it stuck!

I thought they were deciding amongst the 5 who would be the captain before each particular game?

@PMH i have been to too many games when i have read anything possible to try and avert my eyes from the pitch

Why do you keep putting "@" before posters names?

Saves quoting numerous posts. The @ means i am talking AT that user.

Yes I realised that about half an hour after I'd asked

To be fair mate, anyone can be over-rated, no matter how good they actually are. O'Loughln is one of those players who divides opinion, so GML is entitled to his.

Personally I agree with you, I think he's good and I'd have him at Rovers given the chance.