I think a cursory glance at any thread relating to SL stadiums and their relative merits will amswer that one.

There appears to be a sizeable proportion of (other teams) supporters that will not travel to HKR because of the stadium and its perceived lack of facilities.

What will happen if the FA carry out the proposed banning of clubs in the Premier League from sharing ground with other sports and city get promoted !!!!

I hope we can sort CP out as I would not like to go to the KC, but if it comes down to a choice between playing at the KC or going to Workington, Batley and Skolars then I'll
take the KC every time.

You mean the one that only Karren Brady is aware of?

We need better facilities to have a chance of becoming self-sustaining in SL. We could maybe soldier on along the path forged by Wakefield and (until recently) Salford for a couple of franchises, but that isn't ideal, for obvious reasons.

Whether, if plan A fails to materialise, that would be preferable to moving to the KC is a matter for debate.

We should probably sort out the nomenclature, just in case. I suggest -

selling our souls / pragmatic and ambitious

vs

ingrates and luddites / traditional community values

We've never had a proper argumentalist fight amongst ourselves on here, only with Hull fans. Wouldn't be much of a consolation, but you have to find your fun where you can, I guess.

i dont see a move to the kc a good one for us TBH.

i cant see most of the fans wanting it me included.

i think were all in agreement that craven park needs updating ,and we seem to have all our eggs in the erf funding basket.
if this dosnt work out the general feeling is we will have to move??

IMO we should be looking at cutting our cloth accordinly ,
i would much rather see a smaller squad so we dont need to have this 10k through the gate to see the club float on its own .
why were pushing for this extra stand,s /revenue is all well and good but if it dosnt come off ???
i would rather see us go back to nl1 and rebuild from there and work our way up.
what happens if we do get funding we do get the new corp boxes and a new stand and we still dont pull in the 10k of fans required then were do we stand???

IMHO we need to cut down on costs and get the club running somewere near sustability not just hope and pray we get the stand and get the 10k through the door.
we have a SL licence for the next few years make use of the time we have to get things in order not worry about a new stand if and when it comes.

IF HKR move to the KC im sorry but i wont be going and ive seen rovers through some tough times from the depths of the nl leagues the struggles to get this club back up has been massive and now to throw it all away and move to the KC ..

and im not an old man stuck in my ways either im 34 and have no intention of going to the KC watso ever

It'd be a hand to mouth existence in the Championship. It wouldn't so much be a case of re-building, but waiting for somebody to invest massively to rescue us - again. Tbh, it'd be better (IMO) just to accept that status, should we choose it, and make the best of it.
The time may come when costs have to be cut, but the board want to give the club every chance of being successful, rather than just surviving. We'd be mad as fans to start demanding less ambition, before it is necessary.

I can appreciate where smartmart is coming from because i am a FC fan who hates rugby at the KC! I thought that FC sold all their history and the identity of the club down the river when we moved from the boulevard, yes i know that the facilities etc are superior but does it feel like home? Absolutely not for mine. No opposition comes to the KC fearful like they did the boulevard, if anything i think most teams prefer playing there, yourselves included judging on recent results!!!! I know the boulevard was tired but i would have loved FC to have moved into the KC while the boulevard was brought up-to speed and we kept our spiritual home. And like you smartmart im not a cobweb collector but a thirty something year old fan!

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So what was this "abuse and drivel" you apparently got from Rovers fans when you moved? Because reading the above sounds like it was drivel you must have agreed with ... Which makes you sound rather silly considering you're trying to take the moral hypocritical high ground on the issue.

Mmm more troll juice

U are an idiot for suggesting u cudnt care a less if we rot is that not true whether u like it or not were in super league and my simple friend u wud not get the gates u get wen u play us so that makes great business sense think u need this on u head

Anything that I don't deem sensible and constructive is going in the bin form here in, so if those two adjectives don't cover what you planned to post, save your finger tips.

As i've said before i would sooner stay at Craven park but if it came to the choice of staying where we are and probably dying as a club or playing at the KC and moving forward, then i would choose the latter.
You say you would rather have a smaller squad, this would undoubtedly make us much less competitive and likely to cost us games, especialy toward the end of the season when injuries take their toll, this in turn would probably see gates go down as they generaly do when a club is not performing well, which in turn would leave the club with even less revenue leading to a downward spiral.

You also say that you would rather see us go down to Nat league 1 and work our way up, where have you been for the last few years, thats exactly what we have been doing since around 2005, believe me if we were to go back to that league the club would lose far more fans than what they would by going to the KC, how many fans do you honestly think would follow the club back to that division?, i mean, who do you think would put any money into a club with such lack of ambition?, plus, not to mention the loss of sponsorship, in my opinion the club would cease to exist as a major force in the game and would probably never gain a super league licence again.
Anyway, hopefuly we wont need to worry about any such situations, ive just heard that talks went well today between Neil Hudgell and the council.

You are an idiot, and you need to improve

im well aware of were we came from i was one of the 1000 or so that turned up to see a part time team wade its way through year after year trying to survive.

just asked your self the question if this stand is built do u think the club will achieve the break even figure been touted about???
if we moved to the kc what kind of crowds do u think we could achieve???.

With regards to the question, will the club achieve break even point if the stand is built?, more to the point imo is, the fact that if we dont build the stand then we most certainly wont get the break even point.
You have to remember that as a business the club has to look at as many streams of income as it possibly can, the building of the North stand would go some way to generating those extra streams through corparate facilities etc, as well as hopefuly, from more fans who would also benifit from the better facilities on offer.
If you take Hull fc for example although there are many other similar examples in sport, their crowds grew almost every season after they re located to the much better KC staduim with its superior facilities compared to the old Boulevard.
I used to work for a large company in West Hull at that time where most of the employees were Hull Fc fans, who claimed when asked the question, did they want to leave Boulevard and move to the KC?, a large number of would answer, that they would never leave there and that a move to the KC was a bad idea, ask any of them that same question now and i know that in 99% of cases it would be a completely different answer.

Regarding your other question about numbers of supporters following the club to the KC.
Well i would say it all depends on the level of fans expectations of the club, fans would need to ask themselves the following. >>>Do they want to see a successful club playing in a very good stadium with the best players on view week in, week out and challenging for honours?, or would they be satisfied just to see a mediocre club with mediocre players in a poor ground playing the likes of Batley, Sheffield etc every week, with a small number of fans watching from the stands like the during the ninetees?, if they chose the second option then im afraid they would have to forget about ever seeing the club playing in super league again imo.

Anyway, as i've said previously, i dont think we will need to make a descision to move to the KC or anywher else, as i believe the issues surrounding the building of the new North stand will be resolved sooner rather than later.
At the end of the day i believe it is also in the best interests of the City council to have such a community based facility in the East of the City.

The club is at a crossroads. The preffered path is clear - the North stand is built (and the East extended also, hopefully) and we proceed, forever leaving thoughts of the KC behind, which I suspect would be a relief all round.

That doesn't guarantee success of course, but it gives us a chance. But staying as we are pretty much guarantees failure - financial, sporting or both.

Will it work? - one can only speculate, but given how limited capacity and facilities are now and we're still about 85% of the way there, maybe. The derby would sell out, which pushes the average you need at the rest of the games down slightly. Even if we don't quite make it and have to operate below the cap, I think it's realistic to hope that this would mean we didn't have to cut anywhere nearly so much as we would otherwise.

If it doesn't happen, then the choices are less palatable. The KC would be a long-shot and a massive gamble. Staying put, even if we could struggle by at the lower end of the table, our franchise would be permanently in jeopardy.

Lets hope they can speed things up. www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html

Lets hope they can speed things up. www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html

On the face or it - the KC is a great move. Solves all our ground problems in one hit. However in reality it obviously wouldn't work. It would send shockwaves through our fanbase, so much in fact - that some fans would put their principles ahead of the club's survival. The move to the KC, even short term, may do more harm than good. I'd hope the club have used this opportunity to gage people's reaction to the possible move and ruled it out. [size=85(Just to put it out there - a move the KC either short/long term doesn't actually bother me)[/size

I agree without the North Stand project going ahead, I don't think we have much hope of long term success. If Cas/Wakefield sort their ground problems out - we're next on the 'ground chopping board'.
Time to convince Tesco that an east Hull superstore is required.

I'm sure your landlords would love that prospect. It does beg the question of where you'll play though

Pretty obvious really - next to where Tesco's build their super'duper'store.
Seeing as that Everton/Tesco deal fell through, and they're apparently in the market to develop more stores around the country - it's an opportunity for them to enter into another joint venture. (ala Warrington/Coventry). Indeed, didn't Allam's KC masterplan include another Tesco's too? The vision is there



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I don't get why the club had to have an 8.2million pound stand in the current financial times, why wasn't the board more realistic in terms of what they wanted.

The stand won't cost £8.2M.

The whole development is 8.2 million, the stand incorporated into it is just one part of it.

Is the NHS East Stand development incorporated into that too?
Or is that money now part of the North Stand plan?