Saw it live yesterday and just watched it several times earlier on our Hull KR TV channel. No malice or intent. Looks very routine and innocuous. Shenton was still moving forward and not fully held when Boudebza came in to tackle and halt him.

To me the contact looked normal and the resultant injury was a freak accident imo. Commentators, Cas and Rovers players all displayed no adverse reaction and seemed surprised that Shenton stayed down. Whilst I appreciate the outcome is really unfortunate for your captain, a great player and nice guy, on that visual evidence Boudebza should escape a ban, despite the
unnecessary attempts of Darryl Powell to paint a more malicious scenario.

Sorry to hear of his injury,but like the rest feel there was no intent at all imo.

I feel sorry for Shenton, and like most folk even having looked at the incident, if Shenton had got up and played the ball, it wouldnt have even been discussed, let alone John getting pinged for a grade B

He also had both of our 18 stone props applying simultaneous downward pressure on him after the Boudebza contact as well, which might have contributed to the unfortunate outcome.

It looked to me like a really unfortunate contact, one where Shenton's knee caught the effect of several factors. The pitch was very heavy yesterday, one were you're not going to be able to set yourself under a barrage of defenders. You're not going to be able to keep your feet.

I don't think Boudebza did anything wrong but if he did then he deserves a ban.

My main concern is Michael Shenton.

I hope to see him back on the pitch as soon as possible.

Agree with the above posts, all speak sense. Very unfortunate for Shenton. The reaction some times tells you about something a miss on the field, and not one cas player even reacts to it, and 4 of them are stood within 5 yards of the play the ball.

Shenton was still moving when boubedza tackled him, which means he is more then entitled too.

It will be an interesting outcome, as if he gets pulled for this it sets a trend which should be followed, and Wigan will suffer the most as the majority of their defence is set up like this. Watch how many times mcllorum does exactly the same action.

Feel for Shenton, never a ban though.

If you ignore the three or four players stood pointing at Boudebza then, no, no-one reacted.

One player was pointing as I'm not even sure he was pointing at French John

I'm not even going to respond to this...

Oh, cock.

There must be some other footage that the disciplinary has used, as I can't really see much in the highlights that I have seen. It didn't appear to be a cannonball as it looks like first contact is around the hips and looked pretty much like the usual 2 up top, 3rd man trying to stop him stealing more with the leg drive that you see every week.

The contact with Shenton's legs could be Boudebza applying force with his legs like the Cas poster suggested, but could also have been an unfortunate accident as there appears to be a but of slipping around under very heavy conditions. From the highlights I don't know how you would be able to justify a charge, so they must have more evidence than we do.

Either way an ACL injury is bad news for the guy and I hope that he makes a full and timely recovery.

I think the charge is due to JB putting his weight sideways onto shentons standing leg, looks more of a player falling into the tackle rather than going to injure, at the worst its clumsy but looks more accidental to me.

Problem is that the panel will be swayed by the damage caused rather than the actual incident. As has been said if Shenton stands up and plays the ball, nothing would be said about it. He'll cop a 2 matcher tho.

These tackles happen without players getting injured but obviously go unpunished. Maybe they should outlaw certain types of tackles and not just the ones that end up with injuries.

I'm certain it was you who first called him French John

First off - gutted for Shenton. Perhaps the rules could be amended to minimize the risks further - earlier calls of 'held', maybe. Too many players are missing too many games IMO and it is damaging the spectacle.




Due to something that once happened to me in a professional capacity, I will always defend the correct use of the word consistent. And you have used it correctly. However, it's strength/usefulness stems from its weakness.

If your thesis is that Shenton has injury due to foul play by Boudebza, then Shenton being injured and Boudebza being in the vicinity are consistent with that. However that falls a long way short of proof and it'd equally be consistent with other theses.


Permissable.


Doesn't look like he goes in especially low to me - looks like he hits about hip level. Reverse the assumption of intent in 'misses his knee' to 'avoids his knee', and it sounds rather different, doesn't it?



To me, based on the pictures I've seen, it just looks like everybody falls over. If there was anything resembling intent we'd have more Hull fans pointing it out, I assure you. A different angle might tell a different story, but if you're basing your assessment on the clip I saw, I really can't agree.


Who knows - I share your lack of faith in the system, though I'd be less confident that it'll favour us. You say the camera angle we've seen 'clearly shows...' and to me it isn't poor. I don't think it shows what you see in it, but unless there is another that does, it couldn't be fairly labelled a cop out.

Have you turned into Judge Nutmeg?

Could have been, I forget most of the Rubbish I post.

In your defence, you are not alone in posting rubbish on here and definitely among kindred spirits. Maybe you should change your name to Spouta Il Loadata.

In my belief is it's just 'one of those really unfortunate things' arising from various circumstances. I don't think for one minute JB is trying anything other than to stop Shenton's momentum. An act seen countless times throughout any game. In the end JB tries to use his leg/body to assist in the process after initially being wrong footed. At the same moment or so Shenton's body starts to twist due to the exertions from the men above and his own momentum. In the end Boudebza's action appears to counter the forces from above and leaves Shenton's knee in that awkward position. It's obviously not clear exactly what happens, but I reckon the force of Green coming in over the top finishing the tackle, is perhaps what causes the serious knee injury rather than a much lesser injury.

Just one of those things for me, looked it it numerous times, no intent in it, it happens.
Gutted for Shenny he's our captain but on the other hand gives young Greg Minikin a chance to shine (I think he will).
Its Rugby League not Tiddlywinks
Good luck for the rest of the season.

4 match ban. The game is a joke.

4 game ban is illogical.

My additional edit text below.

I bet Darryl Powell has been lined up by the RFL to assist Wayne Bennett. I have little doubt his media comment has adversely skewed the outcome. Why else would the RFL reach such a perverse and unmerited punishment? Disgraceful.

Ah well. Just when you think the RFL have hit rock bottom, they manage to dig their hole a bit deeper. There is no consistency at all, we have all seen much worse incidents totally ignored. They kick off when it suits, and ignore when it suits. Totally inept and without rhyme or reason.

We Have a great game, and they continue to bring it into disrepute with poor management both on and off the field.

The 4 games has probably come because of the bleating from Powell and Shenton.

It looked innocuous to me and to most people but Shenton has every right to bleat if he thought it was reckless. He suffered the injury his season is over and it's a long road back to fitness.

Powell does a lot of that. Westwood got a harsh ban for tackle last season that was no worse than we see every week. Personally think 4 games is harsh. Probably due to the severity of the injury ,accident won't come into it. Expect to see more bans this season.