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| I thought Jason Netherton had another year on his deal? The club won't let him leave now anyway, not after his best ever game in a Rovers shirt, he even broke a tackle against Hudds.
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| Time for Murrell to go i think. Great for a crowd lifting hit, or the odd 40/20 but his lack of pace and mobility really shows now.
On a seperate note, anyone got any ideas on how Jordan Cox is getting on injury wise?
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| Early on in the season when we were missing Green, Galea etc, Scott was our best player, and I can't remember him missing a game this year. Sandy doesn't seem to hang about if he doesn't think someones face fits, as in Scott Wheldon, I would be surprised if Murrell was let go.
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Shannon McDonnell (2012) Stay
Louis Sherrife (2012) Stay
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David Hodgson (2014) Stay
Nick Johnson (2012) Go
Sam Latus (2013) Go
Craig Hall (2012) Stay
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Jake Webster (2012) Stay
Kris Welham (2015) Stay
Liam Salter (2014) Stay
Chris Heil (2012) Stay
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Blake Green (2014) Stay
Michael Dobson (2014) Stay
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Rhys Lovegrove (2012) Stay
Joel Clinton (2012) Go
Jordan Cox (2012) Stay
Scott Taylor (2013) Stay
Scott Wheldon (2012) Gone
Ryan O'Hara (2013) Stay
Mickey Paea (2014) Stay
James Green (2014) Stay
Rich Beaumont (2013) Go
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Josh Hodgson (2013) Stay
Lincoln Withers (2013) Stay
Keal Carlile (2013) Go
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Ben Galea (2012) Stay
Graham Horne (2013) Stay
Jason Netherton (2013) Go
Aaron Ollet (2012) Stay
George Griffin (2013) Go
Constantine Mika (2013) Stay
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Liam Watts (2012) Go
Scott Murrell (2012) Stay
Dave Peterson (2012) Stay
So that's eight players I'd replace with one already gone making 9 players going out the squad. If we can replace that spare cap space with a couple of quality backs and another hard hitting forward then we would have the makings of a cracking side.
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| Quote ="Easty"
So that's eight players I'd replace with one already gone making 9 players going out the squad. If we can replace that spare cap space with a couple of quality backs and another hard hitting forward then we would have the makings of a cracking side.'"
I'm gonna take a guess at how much cap we'd save.
Watts = 50k
Griffin = 20k
Netherton = 35k
Carlisle = 20k
Beaumont = 15k
Wheeldon = 40k
Clinton = 110k
Latus = 20k
Johnson = 15k
Thats 325k I still don't think we are working anywhere near full cap having let
Shaun Briscoe (Widnes Vikings)
Ben Cockayne (Wakefield)
Peter Fox (Wakefield)
Clint Newton (Penrith Panthers)
Mick Vella (Retired)
Ben Fisher (Released)
Matt Cook (Harlequins)
Liam Colbon (Harlequins)
All go last year so it comes down to our financial position and how much salary cap the board want to use and give to Craig Sandercock to play with. Don't see why we can't be 500k below the cap at the seasons end.
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| Quote ="Dudley"Early on in the season when we were missing Green, Galea etc, Scott was our best player, and I can't remember him missing a game this year. Sandy doesn't seem to hang about if he doesn't think someones face fits, as in Scott Wheldon, I would be surprised if Murrell was let go.'"
Agree with that mate, he's good to have in the squad, cheap, versatile, he's no world beater but pretty reliable.
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| Quote ="Easty"I'm gonna take a guess at how much cap we'd save.
Watts = 50k
Griffin = 20k
Netherton = 35k
Carlisle = 20k
Beaumont = 15k
Wheeldon = 40k
Clinton = 110k
Latus = 20k
Johnson = 15k
Thats 325k I still don't think we are working anywhere near full cap having let
Shaun Briscoe (Widnes Vikings)
Ben Cockayne (Wakefield)
Peter Fox (Wakefield)
Clint Newton (Penrith Panthers)
Mick Vella (Retired)
Ben Fisher (Released)
Matt Cook (Harlequins)
Liam Colbon (Harlequins)
All go last year so it comes down to our financial position and how much salary cap the board want to use and give to Craig Sandercock to play with. Don't see why we can't be 500k below the cap at the seasons end.'"
What is your point, Easty? You've already stated 8 are coming in. What are your assumptions on their salary levels vs the bit part players you are proposing to bin off (Clinton excepted)?
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| Quote ="Easty"I'm gonna take a guess at how much cap we'd save.
Watts = 50k
Griffin = 20k
Netherton = 35k
Carlisle = 20k
Beaumont = 15k
Wheeldon = 40k
Clinton = 110k
Latus = 20k
Johnson = 15k
Thats 325k I still don't think we are working anywhere near full cap having let
Shaun Briscoe (Widnes Vikings)
Ben Cockayne (Wakefield)
Peter Fox (Wakefield)
Clint Newton (Penrith Panthers)
Mick Vella (Retired)
Ben Fisher (Released)
Matt Cook (Harlequins)
Liam Colbon (Harlequins)
All go last year so it comes down to our financial position and how much salary cap the board want to use and give to Craig Sandercock to play with. Don't see why we can't be 500k below the cap at the seasons end.'"
I would think Nevo would be on a fair bit more than 35K, certainly more than Wheeldon and at least as much as Watts (if the 50K is anywhere near right).
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| Err easty not being funny but hasnt jake webster signed for cas yet youve got him as stay?
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| Quote ="another fine mess"Err easty not being funny but hasnt jake webster signed for cas yet youve got him as stay?'"
Has he signed for Castleford, Currently only a rumour isn't it? Still the list is only my opinion of the players that I would like to keep.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"What is your point, Easty? You've already stated 8 are coming in. What are your assumptions on their salary levels vs the bit part players you are proposing to bin off (Clinton excepted)?'"
The comment about 8 players coming in was initially made about two months ago. I'm pretty sure all these things are subject to change and with the squad hitting some form I'm guessing players which where rumoured to be going earlier in the season may yet be offered deals to stay.
My whole point was that I feel where not at full cap and we'll have an even bigger proportion left at the seasons end.
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| Quote ="Easty"The comment about 8 players coming in was initially made about two months ago. I'm pretty sure all these things are subject to change and with the squad hitting some form I'm guessing players which where rumoured to be going earlier in the season may yet be offered deals to stay.
My whole point was that I feel where not at full cap and we'll have an even bigger proportion left at the seasons end.'"
So if it's,say, 6 in, including Lopini Paea and a couple from the NRL, they'll cost less than your 9 going out?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"So if it's,say, 6 in, including Lopini Paea and a couple from the NRL, they'll cost less than your 9 going out?'"
That is a stupid ing question that doesn't even deserve an answer.
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| Quote ="Easty"That is a stupid ing question that doesn't even deserve an answer.'"
OK. You've said it's 11 out, 8 in. You're now backtracking a bit, fair enough, but still proposing 9 out and a reduction in salary expenditure. My point is that Paea will not be on peanuts, on your other board Sandercock's talked of referencing a big signing and there's plenty of Newcastle Knights players being discusssed. I'm just trying to reconcile the net year on year position in terms of players and your view that there will be a cash saving if,say, 6 come in.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"OK. You've said it's 11 out, 8 in. You're now backtracking a bit, fair enough, but still proposing 9 out and a reduction in salary expenditure. My point is that Paea will not be on peanuts, on your other board Sandercock's talked of referencing a big signing and there's plenty of Newcastle Knights players being discusssed. I'm just trying to reconcile the net year on year position in terms of players and your view that there will be a cash saving if,say, 6 come in.'"
LOL your so full of it's unreal. OFC We'll have a reduction in salary expenditure at the end of the season, Problem is this will be taken up by any new players coming into the club. Why do you always have to try and twist every post to suit your own agenda? I don't think we'll have any savings on the contrary I'm hoping we spend the full cap which I don't think we are doing this season.
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| Quote ="Easty"LOL your so full of poop it's unreal. OFC We'll have a reduction in salary expenditure at the end of the season, Problem is this will be taken up by any new players coming into the club. Why do you always have to try and twist every post to suit your own agenda? I don't think we'll have any savings on the contrary I'm hoping we spend the full cap which [uI don't think we are doing this season.[/[/uquote
Rovers Board have been preparing us for this for the past 2 seasons - next years SC 'spend' is being reduced by natural wastage.
A rule of thumb, say, SC limit [uless [/uWebster and Clinton's contract values. I don't know what these two player are on but the message is stark, Rovers will no longer be operating at prev SC levels for the foreseeable future (subject, of course, to the magic 10,000).
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| Quote ="Easty"LOL your so full of poop it's unreal. OFC We'll have a reduction in salary expenditure at the end of the season, Problem is this will be taken up by any new players coming into the club. Why do you always have to try and twist every post to suit your own agenda? I don't think we'll have any savings on the contrary I'm hoping we spend the full cap which I don't think we are doing this season.'"
Right, I get it now, you're saying Rovers will be increasing their spend on players overall. Sorry, the tone of what you were saying seemed to be saying the opposite.
Is that assumption right though? Rob Crossland has already said fans need to realise the financial responsibilities the club has and Hudgell has said there'll be no more underwriting losses by the board, that policy is shifting and the club will go backwards to go forwards or words to that effect. The challenge here is that to operate at full cap, the club needs 10k gates. It's possible, but a gamble, to think Rovers will get 10k gates next season. The club will therefore need to estimate income including attendances and the wage bill will be the balancing figure to achieve break even (most other costs being relatively fixed and including rental on the £2m North Stand). If it were my money, and I'd said there can be no more losses, I wouldn't be committing to a full cap spend until the 10k average was proven.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Right, I get it now, you're saying Rovers will be increasing their spend on players overall.'"
I never said they will be. I'm not joined to the hip of the directors and know what they plan to budget for sc spend. I would simply hope we could find extra revenue streams with the north being built to increase our sc spend.
FFS I'm a fan not a staff member anything I say is an opinion yet you twist it to make it look like I'm saying it will happen.
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| Quote ="Paul T - HKR" Rovers will no longer be operating at prev SC levels for the foreseeable future (subject, of course, to the magic 10,000).'"
For me this 10,000 figure is a load of tosh.
This magical 10,000 figure was quoted a few years ago. In that time revenue streams could have gone up and we therefore need less then the stated 10,000. Alternatively they could have reduced leaving us needing for example 11000 crowds. A crowd to break even ratio surely changes every season dependant on revenue/spends
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| Quote ="Easty"I never said they will be. I'm not joined to the hip of the directors and know what they plan to budget for sc spend. I would simply hope we could find extra revenue streams with the north being built to increase our sc spend.
FFS I'm a fan not a staff member anything I say is an opinion yet you twist it to make it look like I'm saying it will happen.'"
And I'm just saying that your directors are on record as saying the squad will be rebuilt, step backwards to go forwards and they're not underwriting losses anymore, which to me suggests spend a fair bit below the cap.
On the North Stand, it's 35 weeks until the new season, so it would appear that it will be ready on time. However, you could argue that the revenue streams from it will initially go towards paying back the £2m borrowed by the council to fund it, not necessarily onto the wage bill.
From what's been said, I'd be surprised if spending on players was higher next season than this, that's all.
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| So its not 11 out and 8 quality players in then?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And I'm just saying that your directors are on record as saying the squad will be rebuilt, step backwards to go forwards and they're not underwriting losses anymore, which to me suggests spend a fair bit below the cap.
On the North Stand, it's 35 weeks until the new season, so it would appear that it will be ready on time. However, you could argue that the revenue streams from it will initially go towards paying back the £2m borrowed by the council to fund it, not necessarily onto the wage bill.
From what's been said, I'd be surprised if spending on players was higher next season than this, that's all.'"
The money borrowed for the stand is being paid back over 35 years IIRC.
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Quote ="bishops finger"So its not 11 out and 8 quality players in then?'"
We don't know - it is all just speculation.
We're all familiar with the mood music from the club, but it is open to interpretation as to what exactly it means.
To fully understand Barista's interpretation, imagine it being spoken by an actor (over)playing the part of a Shakespearean fool ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespearean_fool ), forefinger to cheek, eyebrows raised in mock simplicity.
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Quote ="bishops finger"So its not 11 out and 8 quality players in then?'"
We don't know - it is all just speculation.
We're all familiar with the mood music from the club, but it is open to interpretation as to what exactly it means.
To fully understand Barista's interpretation, imagine it being spoken by an actor (over)playing the part of a Shakespearean fool ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespearean_fool ), forefinger to cheek, eyebrows raised in mock simplicity.
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Quote ="Easty"For me this 10,000 figure is a load of tosh.
This magical 10,000 figure was quoted a few years ago. In that time revenue streams could have gone up and we therefore need less then the stated 10,000. Alternatively they could have reduced leaving us needing for example 11000 crowds. A crowd to break even ratio surely changes every season dependant on revenue/spends'"
Well, Hudgell said it again this year:
www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html
You are right, it's never the same year on year. But the key point here is that a lot of costs (ground maintenance, rates, backroom staff, training camps, kit etc) are fixed. Sky income is fixed, or at least certain. If you spend £1.65m on players, the income from attendances is the balancing figure to break even. And I think he's saying that to afford that needs 10k every week. The problem is that you need to commit to the wage bill without knowing the attendances as you sign players up in advance. If you're being prudent, you'd not over-commit until you had evidence that 10k (or whatever that number is) was achievable.
Don't forget the step up in costs next year too. In 40-20 magazine, Mike Smith says one of the North Stand partners has dropped out, leaving Rovers with a bigger share of costs to cover than expected, hence the delay in the East Stand extension. These costs are commitments Rovers have to cover, they're not discretionary in the way that the playing budget is, hence the playing budget being the most likely area to be squeezed if 10k looks uncertain.
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Quote ="Easty"For me this 10,000 figure is a load of tosh.
This magical 10,000 figure was quoted a few years ago. In that time revenue streams could have gone up and we therefore need less then the stated 10,000. Alternatively they could have reduced leaving us needing for example 11000 crowds. A crowd to break even ratio surely changes every season dependant on revenue/spends'"
Well, Hudgell said it again this year:
www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html
You are right, it's never the same year on year. But the key point here is that a lot of costs (ground maintenance, rates, backroom staff, training camps, kit etc) are fixed. Sky income is fixed, or at least certain. If you spend £1.65m on players, the income from attendances is the balancing figure to break even. And I think he's saying that to afford that needs 10k every week. The problem is that you need to commit to the wage bill without knowing the attendances as you sign players up in advance. If you're being prudent, you'd not over-commit until you had evidence that 10k (or whatever that number is) was achievable.
Don't forget the step up in costs next year too. In 40-20 magazine, Mike Smith says one of the North Stand partners has dropped out, leaving Rovers with a bigger share of costs to cover than expected, hence the delay in the East Stand extension. These costs are commitments Rovers have to cover, they're not discretionary in the way that the playing budget is, hence the playing budget being the most likely area to be squeezed if 10k looks uncertain.
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Like Terry Jacks.
We had joy, we had fun
We had seasons in the sun
But the stars we could reach
Were just starfish on the beach
Hull FC being the starfish, n'est-ce pas?
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