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| Quote ="Stan Butler"Surely ABH is ABH.
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| Quote ="rover49"What about if someone jumped from a block of flats and as he was passing your window you shot at your missus and missed, but the bullt hit the guy and killed him. He was going to die anyway, is this manslaughter
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"Upto that point, I was getting worried.
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| Quote ="rover49"What about if someone jumped from a block of flats and as he was passing your window you shot at your missus and missed, but the bullet hit the guy and killed him. He was going to die anyway, is this manslaughter
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Technically, we are all going to die anyway so murder charges should be outlawed anyway.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"I know the full story of what went on and as I've said before the actions of Ben and Steve Hayward (I know them both well) were over the top. However if you knew what had gone on previous to thompson (who is a bell end) hitting Bens friend, you'd be just as disgusted with what he had done. Hull KR for me have handled this situation well and I'm sure Ben will be keeping his nose clean and getting down to some hard work both on an off the pitch in the coming months. He already helps out at my amateur club and has been involved in coaching since he started playing semi pro so hs been giving back to the community for the entirety of his professional career.'"
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| Quote ="nick hkr"All I can say is that i'm glad none of you are people I trust.
I'm not embarassed to be honest, you dont allow a friend to get beaten up without doing anything.
Why is it a rediculous mentality to stick up for people you are supposed to care about?
Would you stand by and let your son or daughter take a kick in? Well I'd not let my friends either and as evidence proves neither does Ben.
Its easy to sit behind a computer with your halo's above your heads but as the Wakefield fan who knows what happened said there are parts to this you or I have not heard and are probably never likely to either.
Dont get me wrong what he did is still illegal and he deserved what he got, was lucky to not have got more however he showed he was willing to live and die by the sword to protect and gain justice for his friend. Loyalty goes a long way in my book, maybe not so much yours.'"
Nick, I think there is some merit in what you posted.
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| Quote ="andy hound dog"icon_eek.gif
Feka punched someone ONCE (no kicking someone in the head) as a result of somone being verbally abusive to a team mate. If you think what you see in that video is the same thing then it is no wonder our society has so many problems.'"
eh??? so what i read from that is its ok to punch some1 once and break his jaw, and to suggest its the same as some1 kicking some1 in head, is whats wrong with society. would like to note at this point that the person BC attacked altho knocked out cold and prob had a sorry head in the morning who doesnt after night on pop was left with a few cuts & bruises, were as the one Feka attacked altho only hit once got a broken jaw. I would say they are the same and both incidents are is whats wrong with society. To suggest otherwise would be like saying its ok for a certain level of violence on our streets |
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Rovers statement seems to make sense to me, it is now down to Ben as to what happens next in his life.
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When was the last time Reardon actually played a few games for Warrington?
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| [url=http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/4281373.Reardon_leaves_the_Wolves/More here[/url |
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Of course he should have been sacked. The attack on the fella was a disgrace and could have caused him a serious injury.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"id welcome him at Hull with open arms
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How long since he played?
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Bet the people that murdered that kid the other day at the deep thought exactly the same
maybe they did maybe they didnt, possibly it was self defence, possibly the victim had just been found raping the attackers daughter...nobody knows anything of this attack maybe there is an "understandable" (as understandable as a murder can be) reason for his death?
With the help of a mate and went back for more when he had so obviously caused enough damage.
As I said he went too far, I have never condoned the incident and do agree he probably deserved and would have got more had there been space in the prison service. I just kind of understand the mind set in which Ben was in as its seen around the streets of Hull regularly whether we like it or not.
Your obvious dislike for 'this Kyle kid' clearly clouds your judgment, are you seriously saying he asked for it???
Have you read the local rag today? He makes out as though he was perfectly right in what he was doing and it was an unprovoked attack. If Kyle had shut up and just kept himself to himself he doesnt get attacked. Play with fire you get burned.
Maybe you should listen more to sensible people instead of blind eyed fanatics. Nick you normally post some interesting views on the game itself, but these last few posts show how immature you really are and i cannot believe they let people with your views coach kids.
It depends what you class as a sensible person, refering to yourself then I disagree after some of the replies to other posts of mine which have resorted to immature name calling and just a general b!tch about posters you dont agree with. Its ok saying I'm immature but take a look at the real world, go for a trip round any city centre in this country on a night and you'll see ten times worse incidents going unpunished. This proves that the posts i've made are actually shared by a heck of a lot of people around whether they like to admit it or not.'" |
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supporting and understanding are two totally different things, I have no convictions, never been arrested, have no points on my driving licence and try to be a very good citizen. I just have an understanding of how different cultures work.
The fact a suicide bomber is willing to give his/her life for something they believe so strongly about is often very foreign to the British public but I understand their reasons doesnt mean I support their actions.
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| Quote ="nick hkr"supporting and understanding are two totally different things, I have no convictions, never been arrested, have no points on my driving licence and try to be a very good citizen. I just have an understanding of how different cultures work.
The fact a suicide bomber is willing to give his/her life for something they believe so strongly about is often very foreign to the British public but I understand their reasons doesnt mean I support their actions.'"
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"Seriously?
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When you believe and love something strongly enough you will die for the cause, they have their reasons for what they do and as brutal and immoral as it may be their inner strength is not to be questioned.
How many would die for their kids? I dont think there are too many parents that wouldnt because you love them and want to protect them.
Back to the Ben case, he wanted to protect a friend whom he obviously cares about and was willing to take the consequences.
All of this doesnt mean I defend Bens actual actions or support him or any other convicts I just have an understanding something I feel there is little of from certain posters on these forums. |
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| Quote ="nick hkr"I rest my case.
When you believe and love something strongly enough you will die for the cause, they have their reasons for what they do and as brutal and immoral as it may be their inner strength is not to be questioned.
How many would die for their kids? I dont think there are too many parents that wouldnt because you love them and want to protect them.
Back to the Ben case, he wanted to protect a friend whom he obviously cares about and was willing to take the consequences.
All of this doesnt mean I defend Bens actual actions or support him or any other convicts I just have an understanding something I feel there is little of from certain posters on these forums.'"
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Psychopaths are mentally ill people, suicide bombers are completely healthy religeous believers.
My point is that the British public find it difficult to comprehend that someone could die for something they believe in, we live in a world where material things far outweigh beliefs where as these "psychopaths" do not want or need a 50" Plasma or a PS3 they are quite happy to sit with their holy book and pray to who/what they believe in.
However, this "belief" or "religion" does not excuse their actions just like Bens previous and current jobs do not excuse his actions and is why he and they deserve to be punished.
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would that be any different to me beating them to death?'"
Just before someone picks up on that one!
