It's disgusting that a club who has now had 8 years in SL and the revenue streams that brings, can only boast one academy product in their 17. Only 8 of them are British too!

It's 'short termism' and goes against the rhetoric of your chairman a few years back of having East Hull lads at the core of the team. I'm not sure it sends the right message to the talented few lads you have coming through.

Not seen our 17, can you show me the way? Last time I checked, we met the SL criteria for home grown numbers in our squad. I await your stinging correction of this fact.

I do hope Chester's 17 is markedly different from the ones posted on here. Of course you'll meet the standard for home grown, it's easy when you're signing other people's products. How many academy lads have a realistic chance of regular first team rugby next year? 2? 3?

No you don't you want it to be identical to the above so that you can pursue the latest troll agenda.

Surely those 2 points contradict each other?


Guzdek
Salter
Welham
Hallet
Cox
Green
Ollett

I expect all the above to play between 5-20 games.

If the academy lads are good enough then they will get a game its simple really. I want to see the strongest team, yes it would be nice to have a team full of players that we have developed but you cant be sentimental in sport.

Difficult to select a team having not seen so many players play but id go with....

Cockayne
Sio
Goulding
Welham
Mantellato
Kelly
Campese
Bailey
Carlisle
Weyman
McCarthy
Larroyer
Donaldson

Allgood
Walker
Horne
Blair

Trust me stan my opinion of 1865 yesterday was spot on.

I find that ridiculous, 3 of your current u19's are the sons of friends of mine.



Not really, my point was about meeting the criteria through academy graduates, not bought in products of other academies.




Rubbish, I'm talking about real regular rugby, not getting a few games at the end of a season when you've sacked your coach and the new guys trying to make an impression. 5 is not regular, regular is 15 plus.

Hull have obviously never done that.

Wow, that's even worse! 1 for gods sake? James Green should be playing, as should Salter and Cox. A centre on the bench? Carlisle to do the full 80? I hope Chester agrees with you!



Can't tell me you've got no young 2nd rowers better than Donaldson or Horne, who'll give you far better value for money.

Of course we have, and where'd it get us?

Now I know you are full of it. As if you have friends.


Who died and made you arbitrator of regular?

I hope you are happy with your team, I certainly haven't felt the need to cross the divide and pass comment, I never would. Me? I'm happy with our recruitment now, regardless of origin, accents etc. Lets leave it at that eh?

I think it's reasonable to say 1 in 2 is regular?



We should never be happy, it leads to complacency.

Thing is Stan, not once have I said your team or squad is bad, but I think it will be a struggle for you to bed in 13 new signings and the team will lack identity, compounded by the fact your two halves will only have 3-5 weeks training with the squad.

I don't know, below Rovers?

Doubtful, given the comparative histories of the two teams over the last 10-15 years.

13 signings is too many, but we had to clear out so much of the Sandercock era we really didn't have much choice, especially as many wanted out anyway. I expect 2015 to be similar to 2008 when we were hugely inconsistent.

Having 2 halves, regardless of training time will be an improvement on last year's 1.

Since the franchising system and the need for academy structures to meet criteria, which is what I was talking about, where did it get Hull, below Rovers?

It terms of the effectiveness of the strategy, 'failure' brings its own punishment. Disgusting seems to imply some sort moral aspect beyond that, which I don't see. Licensing attempted to offer security in return for meeting centrally planned targets and obligations. It wasn't run equitably though, so now we're back to a cleaner, simpler (if more brutal) environment, with straightforward incentives . If a club is profligate, the punishment is going bust. If their facilities are poor, they'll generate less revenue. If they don't produce good players they've got one less pool of talent to draw on.

Warnings are legitimate, and like a number of clubs we have some issues to deal with. Censure, on the other hand... Nah. Dog eat dog, but at least we know where we stand now.

The rhetoric or mood music or whatever that we had around the start of the Sandercock era has changed. Hopefully the club learned from all that. I'd rather they adapted than stuck rigidly to something that wasn't working.

Its been three days now WHY ARE YOU SO BOTHERED ABOUT WHAT WE DO as ive said before your coming across very Royston Vasey

I think those are good points and Stan drawing a parallel with 2008 is too. My worry is that Morgan had more capital then than Chester does now and SL was moving from 12 to 14, whereas this time it is the other way, with fewer 'should win' games. We are going to have to be patient, because tearing it all up and starting again for 2016 would be stupid IMO. We have to develop the identity you mention and that will take time. It was something we lacked in recent seasons, in part because of the chopping and changing. Sandercock's recruitment and retention was a major cause of that. Where I'm led to believe he [umight[/u have a meaningful legacy is in helping to improve our youth system.

Nice avatars #1865#!


Is he an Hull academy graduate?

ffs roll on the new season

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This x 1000

Joe was part of the Hull academy set up until he was 16 IIRC, so he's half ours half Castleford. HTH.

Eh?

Blair can play in the halfs too. Like i said until we actually see all these new players play its just a guessing game. And 1 academy product or 13 it doesnt matter. You are not goin to play some one if they are not ready just for the sake of it. Im sure plenty of our young players will get a chance and if they perform it will be their shirt to lose from then on. You are spouting your mouth off about how little game time our academy graduates will get before a ball has been kicked, maybe you should just wait and see....