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| Quote ="very red robin"Ok as everyone suggests that the youth of today dont really give two hoots - how about bringing back Compulsory National Service?
Get them beasted and putting into line.'"
Problem with that is you tar all with the same brush, and as has been said it devalues great work the armed forces do and the people in them.
The way to deal with it is to punish people properly, not let them get away with the first 10 offences, scrap Asbo's as they don;t work, stop suspending sentences and make prisons a hard labour place to be. 5 years minimum for carrying a knife, 10 years for a gun. Police the benefit system properly and make parents control their kids froma young age.
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| Quote ="barham red"Problem with that is you tar all with the same brush, and as has been said it devalues great work the armed forces do and the people in them.
The way to deal with it is to punish people properly, not let them get away with the first 10 offences, scrap Asbo's as they don;t work, stop suspending sentences and make prisons a hard labour place to be. 5 years minimum for carrying a knife, 10 years for a gun. Police the benefit system properly and make parents control their kids froma young age.'"
And watch my tax travel upwards even more?
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Didnt watch the programme but anybody found guilty of serious offences against children should be sentanced to death.'"
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| As a new father, if any pervert touched my son they wouldn't get the chance to hang them, I'd do it myself. Paedophiles don't deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of us and yes they should be hung.
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| as much as paedophiles and rapist turn my stomach i don’t think i could agree to the death sentence, if you kill someone for killing someone it makes you a hypocrite really.
the problem with the death sentence is that it is just about revenge really, but as the other post says i guess i would feel a lot different if i happened to me or mine.
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| So who gets to decide who lives and who dies?
Who is so perfect in their judgement and behaviour that they can make such a decision? Politicians maybe?
As we all know, no such person exists.
You may think Gary Glitter and people like him should lose their lives. But maybe the person who gets to decide doesn't like you much either.
Stalin executed 20 million people and thought he was completely right to do so. Back then he was the one who got to decide.
No man has the right to take the life of another even when it is done in the name of the state. IMO.
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| Quote ="His Bobness":32vozerjSo who gets to decide who lives and who dies?
Who is so perfect in their judgement and behaviour that they can make such a decision? Politicians maybe?
As we all know, no such person exists.
You may think Gary Glitter and people like him should lose their lives. But maybe the person who gets to decide doesn't like you much either.
Stalin executed 20 million people and thought he was completely right to do so. Back then he was the one who got to decide.
:32vozerjNo man has the right to take the life of another even when it is done in the name of the state:32vozerj. IMO.'"
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| Quote ="very red robin"So are you saying i and others serving/served in the forces shouldnt shoot anyone back?
And are you saying our forefathers were in the wrong when they stopped us all speaking German?'"
its wrong that anyone should be shooting
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Interesting programme, saw little bits of it but not the full thing. I'd take the 54% stat with a pinch of salt though, research has proven that people are more motivated to vote in this kind of situation if they have a strong negative feeling, the people that dont want to see a return are more likely to have not voted.'"
is that not a stat?
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| Quote ="His Bobness"So who gets to decide who lives and who dies?
Who is so perfect in their judgement and behaviour that they can make such a decision? Politicians maybe?
As we all know, no such person exists.
You may think Gary Glitter and people like him should lose their lives. But maybe the person who gets to decide doesn't like you much either.
Stalin executed 20 million people and thought he was completely right to do so. Back then he was the one who got to decide.
No man has the right to take the life of another even when it is done in the name of the state. IMO.'"
Hopefully not the same people who deem a rapist or psychopathic murderer well enough to return to our streets only to commit the same offence again......and dont say this is rarely happens, as once is to many for the victim.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"So who gets to decide who lives and who dies?
Who is so perfect in their judgement and behaviour that they can make such a decision? Politicians maybe?
As we all know, no such person exists.
You may think Gary Glitter and people like him should lose their lives. But maybe the person who gets to decide doesn't like you much either.
Stalin executed 20 million people and thought he was completely right to do so. Back then he was the one who got to decide.
No man has the right to take the life of another even when it is done in the name of the state. IMO.'"
Your argument is a fair one,but I will tell you this,if it was proved 100% that a peado had interfered with any youngsters in my family, I would pull the lever myself,no problem.
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| Quote ="barton baird"Your argument is a fair one,but I will tell you this,if it was proved 100% that a peado had interfered with any youngsters in my family, I would pull the lever myself,no problem.'"
As we all would without a doubt.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"So who gets to decide who lives and who dies?
Who is so perfect in their judgement and behaviour that they can make such a decision? Politicians maybe?
As we all know, no such person exists.
You may think Gary Glitter and people like him should lose their lives. But maybe the person who gets to decide doesn't like you much either.
Stalin executed 20 million people and thought he was completely right to do so. Back then he was the one who got to decide.
No man has the right to take the life of another even when it is done in the name of the state. IMO.'"
Should we be expected to be perfect in our judgement and behaviour in order to determine that a child murderer should die?
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"Should we be expected to be perfect in our judgement and behaviour in order to determine that a child murderer should die?'"
Why should a child killer like say Ian Huntley have a right to life, just because some do gooder thinks it makes us as bad as them. We all know we are not killers but probably would kill if need be to protect our children.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Didnt watch the programme but anybody found guilty of serious offences against children should be sentanced to death.'"
Agreed, I'll also put my name forward to wield the axe (or open the trapdoor if the liberals got their way)
I'd also widen it out to a series of other offences
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| Quote ="Big Spender"Drama on channel four earlier this evening and very thought provoking.
With 54% of people in Britain supporting the return of capital punishment this drama was set in a ficticios paralell Britain where the death sentence was re-introduced for murder and rape of children under 12 years old.
Thoughts ?'"
Shame it was fiction.
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| Quote ="barham red"I would of thought if the death penalty came back then more people would get off with crimes as Jury's would be more inclined to return a not guilty plea due to the weight of responsibility paced upon them.
I personally feel the dath penalty is barbaric in this day and age and realistically it woud not prevent the most heinous crimes from being committed. It may stop the odd money motivated crime, shooting during armed robbery etc but in all likelihood the perpetrators of such crimes will never think of the consequences prior to committing them.
The real issue with the criminal justice system in this country is the inabilty to deal with and the inconsistency that 'petty' / less serious crimes are dealt with. The antisocial behavior and lack of respect for the police of a large element of our society seems to have is the real problem with todays society. For all the death penaly worthy crimes are abhorent they are also very isolated and in reality are not the crimes that affect us most.
Having said all of this if it was one of my own kileed / raped then i no doubt would change my point of view but I guess that is why we should let people a bit more detatched and impartial make a decision on this. The outcome of a referendum would be decided on by the Murdoch empire and how they decided it should go.'"
It would prevent the person who was topped doing it again.
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| An eye for an eye is one way of looking at it however we would have to be careful as even DNA evidence is not 100% accurate.
As said it has done little to prevent crimes in other countries and there should be much cheaper ways to imprison someone for life.
We need tougher jails for criminals that dont require rehabilitating such as peado's, they should be punnished and made to cry themselves to sleep on a night, however the death penalty...its a tough call and one I'm still unsure on.
Maybe a Judge and Jury could decide if someone is guilty and then the punnishment could be offered to the victims or families of the victims, if they decide death by whatever choice there may be then that is what is carried out?
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| Did not watch this programme for one reason. It is ment to provoke silly reactions from people who do not understand the justice system in the uk. Probaly daily mail or sun readers. Does capital punishment work? How many wrong convictions would end in death? Too many! Silly silly programme
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| If DNA and overwheming evidence finds cold blooded murderers and phadeophiles guilty then i believe being caged up for the rest of their natural life is the only way to stop them commiting further crimes. If public opinion via a referendum votes to bring back capital punishment then only the do gooders can have any regrets that these animals have received justice.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Agreed, I'll also put my name forward to wield the axe (or open the trapdoor if the liberals got their way)
I'd also widen it out to a series of other offences'"
Like being the person responsible for "Leader of the Gang"?
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Doubt he will lose his head over the crucifixion part.
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| Quote ="very red robin"So are you saying i and others serving/served in the forces shouldnt shoot anyone back?
And are you saying our forefathers were in the wrong when they stopped us all speaking German?'"
No I don't mean that and I certainly didn't mean offence to you and others who have served in the forces. Soldiers don't decide if we go to war anyway, politicians do.
I'm talking about our criminal justice system not war or soldiers acting in self defence.
I'm talking about self righteous people who think someone should be executed because they say so.
People talk about Huntley but actually he has tried to commit suicide on several occasions. So has Ian Brady. Harold Shipman actually succeeded in killing himself.
So executing these people is actually more preferable to them than life imprisonment.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"No I don't mean that and I certainly didn't mean offence to you and others who have served in the forces. Soldiers don't decide if we go to war anyway, politicians do.
I'm talking about our criminal justice system not war or soldiers acting in self defence.
I'm talking about self righteous people who think someone should be executed because they say so.
People talk about Huntley but actually he has tried to commit suicide on several occasions. So has Ian Brady. Harold Shipman actually succeeded in killing himself.
So executing these people is actually more preferable to them than life imprisonment.'"
Amazing, the ones in favour are self righteous, but not the ones who say no to the death penalty, that in itself is self righteous.
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