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| Quote ="nick hkr"I know Fox messed up with the kick off after Welhams try but to me it looked like Green was the one going towards the ball and half way there decided he'd leave it to bounce to Fox then in typical Foxy fashion he just let it go over his head. However Greeny blue eyes won't get any stick for it!!!
After that although not doing anything startling Foxy didn't get the service to do anything with. He returned the ball when he had to, he wasn't found out of position too often and there were certainly far worse players out there in the middle of the park than him.
It makes me laugh that people can have a right go at Fox but as soon as someone even dares to have a go about one of the 'in crowd' they are being made scapegoats! Briscoe and Fox two years ago were the best things sinced sliced bread to most on here, in the past 18mths they have both become very average players and seem to have lost any spark they once had. Colbon has gone from a confident kick returner who crossed the whitewash with ease to a player who is scared of touching the ball. As a team we have gone from brilliant goal line defenders to the poorest in the league!
How does all this happen in just one off season? You can't blame injuries to just three players, one of which being one of the poorer defenders among the team!'"
Who is this with the turquoise eyes....
On a serious note, I think defensively we are missing Vella, don;t know what he does but with him on our goal line defense always seems more solid.
I agree with the your summary of the Fox / Briscoe / Colbon situation. Our wingers don't get enough ball and certainly none quick enough. If we got the ball through hands quicker we'd maybe see the better of them both.
Colbon got hung out to dry for his goalline defence in the Cats game. What happened was we invited too much pressure on our selves and they had a very good kicking game. Colbon had no chance with a lot of the tries as the kicks made him stand and jump against Blanche who was coming at pace. Our line speed caused the problems and Colbon got blamed.
Fox looks like he's struggling for confidence, the Cas game aside where he had a stinker I don;t think he's been any worse than the rest (I never went last week) He just needs some quality service and a try.
Briscoe's defence has been ok but what is the worry for me with him is his misjudging of high kicks, this was an area he was so strong in in previous years, its almost got back to the days of Cockayne at times with the wondering if it was going to be spilt. i still think he'll come good again once he's back and fit.
I do agree some players are almost untouchable in terms of criticism, regardess of how they play.
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| Quote ="barham red"Who is this with the turquoise eyes....
On a serious note, I think defensively we are missing Vella, don;t know what he does but with him on our goal line defense always seems more solid.
I agree with the your summary of the Fox / Briscoe / Colbon situation. Our wingers don't get enough ball and certainly none quick enough. If we got the ball through hands quicker we'd maybe see the better of them both.
Colbon got hung out to dry for his goalline defence in the Cats game. What happened was we invited too much pressure on our selves and they had a very good kicking game. Colbon had no chance with a lot of the tries as the kicks made him stand and jump against Blanche who was coming at pace. Our line speed caused the problems and Colbon got blamed.
Fox looks like he's struggling for confidence, the Cas game aside where he had a stinker I don;t think he's been any worse than the rest (I never went last week) He just needs some quality service and a try.
Briscoe's defence has been ok but what is the worry for me with him is his misjudging of high kicks, this was an area he was so strong in in previous years, its almost got back to the days of Cockayne at times with the wondering if it was going to be spilt. i still think he'll come good again once he's back and fit.
I do agree some players are almost untouchable in terms of criticism, regardess of how they play.'"
Careful if people start agreeing with me the East Stand extension is going to needed padded walls!!!
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| Quote ="barham red"Who is this with the turquoise eyes....
On a serious note, I think defensively we are missing Vella, don;t know what he does but with him on our goal line defense always seems more solid.
I agree with the your summary of the Fox / Briscoe / Colbon situation. Our wingers don't get enough ball and certainly none quick enough. If we got the ball through hands quicker we'd maybe see the better of them both.
Colbon got hung out to dry for his goalline defence in the Cats game. What happened was we invited too much pressure on our selves and they had a very good kicking game. Colbon had no chance with a lot of the tries as the kicks made him stand and jump against Blanche who was coming at pace. Our line speed caused the problems and Colbon got blamed.
Fox looks like he's struggling for confidence, the Cas game aside where he had a stinker I don;t think he's been any worse than the rest (I never went last week) He just needs some quality service and a try.
Briscoe's defence has been ok but what is the worry for me with him is his misjudging of high kicks, this was an area he was so strong in in previous years, its almost got back to the days of Cockayne at times with the wondering if it was going to be spilt. i still think he'll come good again once he's back and fit.
I do agree some players are almost untouchable in terms of criticism, regardess of how they play.'"
This..
I will add that Colbon hasn't been the same player since he had his jaw broken against the french outfit IMHO.
We look completly confidenceless which is my biggest worry.
We have beaten Leeds in the past because we got in the 'arm wrestle' with them, Were willing to work bloody hard for each other got a lead and by hook or by crook we held it.
I can't see that happening if we go in front on saturday as we have too soft an underbelly ATM IMHO.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"This..
I will add that Colbon hasn't been the same player since he had his jaw broken against the french outfit IMHO.
We look completly confidenceless which is my biggest worry.
[uWe have beaten Leeds in the past because we got in the 'arm wrestle' with them,[/u Were willing to work bloody hard for each other got a lead and by hook or by crook we held it.
I can't see that happening if we go in front on saturday as we have too soft an underbelly ATM IMHO.'"
...and because they were missing around 8 first choice players.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"...and because they were missing around 8 first choice players.'" Every time?
Gee that was lucky then.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Every time?
Gee that was lucky then.'"
Let's hope they have 8 missing tomorrow then, should be a p!ss in the park for our players no excuse whats so ever
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Seeing as Hall and[u Fox[/u are dropped I seriously hope Sheriff gets the nod at fullback.'"
He may be dropped but the way he was limping around Howden with his right ankle strapped about an hour ago may suggest otherwise.
If its an injury the flip flops werent such a good idea!
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| Probably hurt his arm but he's that thick he thinks it's his leg.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"He may be dropped but the way he was limping around Howden with his right ankle strapped about an hour ago may suggest otherwise.
If its an injury the flip flops werent such a good idea!
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ive just purchased 8 cans of fosters in howden after work this afternoon, you know, because of the sunshine , didnt know foxy was from the area...anyway, i hope he gets back his confidence and fitness soon, all he needs is a try and i think he'll be flying again
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| Quote ="roverlance"ive just purchased 8 cans of fosters in howden after work this afternoon, you know, because of the sunshine
, didnt know foxy was from the area...anyway, i hope he gets back his confidence and fitness soon, all he needs is a try and i think he'll be flying again'"
He walks past (well, limps, bad back innit) your house three times a day, you're just too blind drunk to notice.
Edit. Forgot again, people get drunk at the rugby, particularly that Tetley. Good times.
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| Quote ="pmh"He walks past (well, limps, bad back innit) your house three times a day, you're just too blind drunk to notice.
Edit. Forgot again, people get drunk at the rugby, particularly that Tetley. Good times.'"
i dont mind a pint or 2 at the rugby if im honest
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| Quote ="roverlance"icon_thumb.gif i dont mind a pint or 2 at the rugby if im honest'"
I rarely drink at the rugby, a lot of rugby players like a drink after the game, really they should stick to those isotonic drink things like water with a bit of ginseng or some other such shizzle in it.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"He may be dropped but the way he was limping around Howden with his right ankle strapped about an hour ago may suggest otherwise.
If its an injury the flip flops werent such a good idea!
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| do you lads think hall derserved to be dropped? whats he been like for you
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| Quote ="hull2524"do you lads think hall derserved to be dropped? whats he been like for you'"
Proberbly not.
Although Webster had his best game of the season at Saints so i expected Hall to be put on the wing against Leeds.
Hall has done well IMO
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| I can't believe that Hall has been dropped! It makes no sense, he has consistently been one of our better players.
I'd certainly pick him ahead of Webster.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"I can't believe that Hall has been dropped! It makes no sense, he has consistently been one of our better players.
I'd certainly pick him ahead of Webster.'"
I agree 100%. I think Morgan is in severe denial if he thinks the changes he's made are the root of all the teams problems.
As far as Fox goes its amazing what injuries an appearance in the reserves can bring on
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| i still think imo hall is one of the best centres going forward and he has a knack of being in the right place at the right time,imo its still his defence which lets him down,
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| craig has a slight injury so has been kept out the squad more as a precaution
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| Quote ="phleastyler"craig has a slight injury so has been kept out the squad more as a precaution'" With the greatest of respect that isn't what Craig himself said last night on Twitter.
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| Quote ="phleastyler"craig has a slight injury so has been kept out the squad more as a precaution'"
Thanks Justin.
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| fair do's i stand corrected but cant see a reason other than injury to drop him!
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| In hindsight JM got the back 5 totally right IMO:-
- Cockayne played great at full-back
- Colbon looks far more assured playing on the right than on the left
- Webster looks in the best shape he's been in since we signed him and his operation seems to have done the trick
- Welham extended his SL leading try tally
- Latus earned his chance and turned in a solid display (solid being everything Fox isn't at the moment).
At this point Hall is not as good as Webster or Welham and I think it was the right decision not pick him on the wing cos had he had a bad game it could have set back the progress he's built up over the last couple of months.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"I agree 100%. I think Morgan is in severe denial if he thinks the changes he's made are the root of all the teams problems.
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Well Fox needs to get his head around appearing in the reserves because that is where he will be plying his trade in the short-term because i dont think that Morgan would be able to justify taking the jerseys away from Colbon and Latus.
I would also argue that Hall has earned the right to take the next threequarter jersey that becomes available so Fox may have a bit of a wait. It will be very interesting to see his response.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Well Fox needs to get his head around appearing in the reserves because that is where he will be plying his trade in the short-term because i dont think that Morgan would be able to justify taking the jerseys away from Colbon and Latus.
I would also argue that Hall has earned the right to take the next threequarter jersey that becomes available so Fox may have a bit of a wait. It will be very interesting to see his response.'"
I agree.
If Morgan does bring Fox back in he has to play him on the left though, then you may see some improvement in him. Colbon looked so much more comfortable and assured on the right and must imo stay there.
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