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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Doubt welham will get near an international shirt unless he has a scottish grandfather. Once yeaman is out of the picture ben crooks will be a shoe in for the GB/England team'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Correct. But that makes it [ueven more disappointing[/u for the heir apparent (Welham) to have been overlooked as the 6th best English centre (after Reed, Atkins, Shenton, Bridge and Senior (retired
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Oh, I'm firmly in the "he's a long way off" camp, and you can add James Webster to your list (he was temporarily suspended, but a change in employers has seen him re-enter at the expense of Sonia).
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Hmm..you do need to factor in the fact Hull have had no halfbacks to speak of since Cooke left. How did Yeaman go in the last season we had a decent halfback combo? Yes, that's right, he was handing them off like a ramrod in the Dream Team. [uCurrently[/u Yeaman is better than Welham defensively, that's why he's in the international
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BTW I thought Gil Dudson had a cracking first half tonight (got bored in the second, mind). You were correct, he would have been a good signing for Rovers.'"
So Welham's try tally with no Dobson who controlled the left edge attack for a chunk of the season was more impressive on that basis.
Dudson impressed me last season,barnstorming run at CP to set up a try.
Would of been a more than useful addition and Rovers did offer him a contract but once Wigan came in that was that.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So Welham's try tally with no Dobson who controlled the left edge attack for a chunk of the season was more impressive on that basis.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Prove me wrong time and time again??
Feel free to list these fantasies
Are you ignorant,deluded or just plain stupid.
I have not once disputed that Yeaman is stronger in defence.
You cannot accept Welham is better in attack and because Yeaman had a decent try tally last season it doesn't put him on a par.
If Bobby Zamora scores more goals than Torres this season that doesn't make him the better attacker overall
Yeaman would not have saved some of the tries Welham did this season,they are different types of players.
Welham is faster,more athetic and more skilful then Yeaman
I could also throw in another fact in the the Champions Leeds made enquiries to sign Welham,not Yeaman.
You much more amusing across on your own forum pretending to be in the know about signing Rangi Chase then on here pretending to be some female Waynetta Bennett.'"
You talk utter tripe, your knowledge is pants which has been proven several times by several people, also by me when you lost that bet to me by declaring Crusaders stood no chance of making the 8 and would finish bottom! (that was not a fantasie it was real!)..You are like Zod you come out with grand statements yet fail to back these statements with evidence, you are unable to have a constructive discussion about any player who plays for FC because of you ingrained hatred of every-thing black and white (your infamous post as paintboy on your secret proved this point)
On the Rangi Chase signing i claimed to know nothing apart from what fans who spoke to him were told, so you are wrong yet again
I will discuss Yeamo & Welham with any-one who wishes to without wearing their tinted glasses because believe me I know more about both players than most on here including you
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You talk utter tripe, your knowledge is pants which has been proven several times by several people, also by me when you lost that bet to me by declaring Crusaders stood no chance of making the 8 and would finish bottom! (that was not a fantasie it was real!)..You are like Zod you come out with grand statements yet fail to back these statements with evidence, you are unable to have a constructive discussion about any player who plays for FC because of you ingrained hatred of every-thing black and white (your infamous post as paintboy on your secret proved this point)
On the Rangi Chase signing i claimed to know nothing apart from what fans who spoke to him were told, so you are wrong yet again
I will discuss Yeamo & Welham with any-one who wishes to without wearing their tinted glasses because believe me I know more about both players than most on here including you
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So one prediction I made when the Crusaders over achieved as proven by their last finishing position is time and time again. Oh Dear.
I will need more than that I'm afraid Waynetta!
I gave my opinion on Welham/Yeaman and gave FACTS on their attacking prowess.
When your wrong you stick your head in the sand just like you are doing now.
I don't know which is funnier Paul M or Gordon Gekko making you look foolish everytime you engage in debate with them.
Anyhow I'm playing Martha bingo,throw in your brothers are ex players and your coaching certificates and I have four corners
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So one prediction I made when the Crusaders over achieved as proven by their last finishing position is time and time again. Oh Dear.
I will need more than that I'm afraid Waynetta!
I gave my opinion on Welham/Yeaman and gave FACTS on their attacking prowess.
When your wrong you stick your head in the sand just like you are doing now.
I don't know which is funnier Paul M or Gordon Gekko making you look foolish everytime you engage in debate with them.
Anyhow I'm playing Martha bingo,throw in your brothers are ex players and your coaching certificates and I have four corners
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I will be shouting for the England Team including Yeaman who is an East Hull Lad who once supported the Robins made even worse when some idiot ran on the pitch and assaulted him. He has gained his place in the team on merit and has got a great defence which is probably why he is in there over Welham.
Though Brisco was very slow on the interception and got caught by a second row Mannering !
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So one prediction I made when the Crusaders over achieved as proven by their last finishing position is time and time again. Oh Dear.'" It was a specific bet on a specific finishing position in a specific season. You lost and welched big time. Oh Dear.
Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"I gave my opinion on Welham/Yeaman and gave FACTS on their attacking prowess.'" Selective stats and failing to factor in the absence of service to Hull's left edge by anything resembling a half back combination. 2006, last time FC had a halfback combo to speak of Yeaman = Dream Team.
Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"When your wrong you stick your head in the sand just like you are doing now.I don't know which is funnier Paul M or Gordon Gekko making you look foolish everytime you engage in debate with them.'"
Your drinking chum Gordon Gekko? The one who said Danny Houghton had been overtaken by Josh Hodgson 2 years ago and that Craig Hall is the best centre in the city? Wow.
Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Anyhow I'm playing Martha bingo,throw in your brothers are ex players and your coaching certificates and I have four corners
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Thought his special shorts were to keep the poop in when he cacks himself whenever yeaman goes near him'"
I'm sure Websters Derby record confirms that. How many has he lost in the four years he has been here?
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So one prediction I made when the Crusaders over achieved as proven by their last finishing position is time and time again. Oh Dear.
I will need more than that I'm afraid Waynetta!
I gave my opinion on Welham/Yeaman and gave FACTS on their attacking prowess.
When your wrong you stick your head in the sand just like you are doing now.
I don't know which is funnier Paul M or Gordon Gekko making you look foolish everytime you engage in debate with them.
Anyhow I'm playing Martha bingo,throw in your brothers are ex players and your coaching certificates and I have four corners
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You offered stats which were irrelevant, like I have mentioned stats from previous seasons are irrelevant to choosing an International team for this year...I will give you an example Burrows,now if we looked at his stats over the last 3 years he would be 1st choice without a doubt, not sure which bit of this you do not understand...So you did not offer facts to support your argument, you also failed to mention defense which is a crucial part of a centres game.
Oh dear! clearly my post hit a nerve reading the rest of the post!! do you not feel a little silly resorting to calling me Waynetta like a child would because I said your knowledge it pants and you talk tripe!! ..the amazing thing is you have banned many FC fans on this board for name calling...
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I've waited all year for Briscoe played in the 4 nations to drag up historic quotes from my database to get back at Zod after he's continually exposed my selective and manipulative posts for what they are and now's my chance'"
I know all your anger and bitterness has been building up in you for some time but being bitter only affects the person being bitter.
People who look close enough get the picture about how your posts and quotes are constructed to engineer statements out of their original context so I've no need or responsibility to breakdown more of your bile.
Anyone who waits a considerable length of time to plan some kind of tirade as you clearly have done with the 4 nations coming around can only amount to being a lowlife - you need to let it go and get a life away from these boards.
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| Quote ="General Zod."I know all your anger and bitterness has been building up in you for some time but being bitter only affects the person being bitter.
People who look close enough get the picture about how your posts and quotes are constructed to engineer statements out of their original context so I've no need or responsibility to breakdown more of your bile.
Anyone who waits a considerable length of time to plan some kind of tirade as you clearly have done with the 4 nations coming around can only amount to being a =#FF0040lowlife scumbag - you need to let it go and get a life away from these boards.'"
What on earth are you talking about? You are the one who posted 150 times in 48 hours about Briscoe's relative inadequacies vs Peter Fox. I [udo believe[/u this has been referenced in the intervening period. Sadly for you, Offiah himself is very pleased with our Tom. Oops.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/nov/11/england-four-nations-new-zealand?newsfeed=true[/url
"I really can't remember a time when we had a better back three," said the former Widnes, Wigan and London Broncos flyer. "Hall and Briscoe are a really good pair of wings. They've both got a bit of toe, and they're also big lads."
Anyone who boasts as arrogantly and unnecessarily as you seem to enjoy doing needs to be able to take as well as give. As for the comment in red, says everything about your ability to handle the reminder of some of your more OTT comments. Or lack thereof. I do believe it's against the AUP. Cockle.
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Selective stats and failing to factor in the absence of service to Hull's left edge by anything resembling a half back combination. 2006, last time FC had a halfback combo to speak of Yeaman = Dream Team.
Your drinking chum Gordon Gekko? The one who said Danny Houghton had been overtaken by Josh Hodgson 2 years ago and that Craig Hall is the best centre in the city? Wow.
Radio commentary. Post-match interview. Rob Crossland. Willie Mason. House!'"
So just one incorrect prediction like I said then.
I was more then willing to do the forfeit ask your pal Clarky however the station manager was fading SL out behind the scenes unbeknown to us and wouldn't allow it.
Sorry if that doesn't fit with your constant referrals to that but its simply another fact.
Hulls selection issues are not my problem Welham is a better offensive player as backed up by fact.
I know your obcessive but telling me who my drinking pals are now are we lol.
I see the gent concerned in passing and his opinions are what he is entitled to.
Strange how when Rovers had 4 dream team players it was talked down by Hull fans and no w it is a standard bearer.
As for your full house,come on then Mrs Database,let's see constant references to them at the minimum on a par with Waynetta's rantings
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So just one incorrect prediction like I said then.
I was more then willing to do the forfeit ask your pal Clarky however the station manager was fading SL out behind the scenes unbeknown to us and wouldn't allow it.
Sorry if that doesn't fit with your constant referrals to that but its simply another fact.
Hulls selection issues are not my problem Welham is a better offensive player as backed up by fact.
I know your obcessive but telling me who my drinking pals are now are we lol.
I see the gent concerned in passing and his opinions are what he is entitled to.
Strange how when Rovers had 4 dream team players it was talked down by Hull fans and no w it is a standard bearer.
As for your full house,come on then Mrs Database,let's see constant references to them at the minimum on a par [uwith Waynetta's rantings[/u'"
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So just one incorrect prediction like I said then.'" You predicted big things from the Willie Mason signing too. Went well, that.
Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"I know your obcessive but telling me who my drinking pals are now are we lol.I see the gent concerned in passing and his opinions are what he is entitled to.'" Milton Keynes.
Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Strange how when Rovers had 4 dream team players it was talked down by Hull fans and no w it is a standard bearer.'"
I've always enjoyed the Dream Team. This year, Kirk Yeaman and Tom Briscoe we selected at centre and wing respectively. By the RL press. More than just McNamara that rates them, then.
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Oh dear! clearly my post hit a nerve reading the rest of the post!! do you not feel a little silly resorting to calling me Waynetta like a child would because I said your knowledge it pants and you talk tripe!! ..the amazing thing is you have banned many FC fans on this board for name calling...'"
Only irrelevant if you choose to ignore them.
Actually if you read back I offered no reasoning on either attack or defense in the early part of the thread in respect of my personal view.
What I did was prove Welham has a better attacking record then Yeaman after you said they were on a par
No nerves hit here at all, again read back and as is normally the case with you when your losing a debate you start to get all y.
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Milton Keynes.
I've always enjoyed the Dream Team. This year, Kirk Yeaman and Tom Briscoe we selected at centre and wing respectively. By the RL press. More than just McNamara that rates them, then.
You don't make constant references to anything, you're not on here enough these days. Bet you've mentioned your radio commentaries more than Marfa's mentioned her brothers though over the years.
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Everybody thought big things would come through the Mason signing,hardly out on a limb was I.
Sorry it was Watford and one night out 3 years ago doesn't make somebody my drinking buddy.
Go for it database.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Only irrelevant if you choose to ignore them.
Actually if you read back I offered no reasoning on either attack or defense in the early part of the thread in respect of my personal view.
What I did was prove Welham has a better attacking record then Yeaman after you said they were on a par
No nerves hit here at all, again read back and as is normally the case with you when your losing a debate you start to get all y.
If you think being called Waynetta is offensive then I shake my head in disbelief having seen how you respond to people on this site at times.'"
It is irrelevant whether I find your comments offensive or not, you are clearly aware that it is against the AUP to call people names as you have banned several people for name calling on this board, now what I find difficult to grasp here is why you are doing it ?...I can only assume you are abusing your position of a moderator.If you persist in calling me names I shall take my grievance to Administration.
I am not losing a debate here, you lost the debate a few pages ago. Your original statement was that Yeaman is not the best left centre in this city! you then dragged up stats from the last 3 years to try and prove the point that Welham is better offensively than Yeamon, [uI clearly pointed out this years squad were picked on last seasons performances [/uand Welham had only scored 1 more try than Yeaman, hence offensively last season they were on par.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"It is irrelevant whether I find your comments offensive or not, you are clearly aware that it is against the AUP to call people names as you have banned several people for name calling on this board, now what I find difficult to grasp here is why you are doing it ?...I can only assume you are abusing your position of a moderator.If you persist in calling me names I shall take my grievance to Administration.
I am not losing a debate here, you lost the debate a few pages ago. Your original statement was that Yeaman is not the best left centre in this city! you then dragged up stats from the last 3 years to try and prove the point that Welham is better offensively than [size=150Yeamon[/size, [uI clearly pointed out this years squad were picked on last seasons performances [/uand Welham had only scored 1 more try than Yeaman, hence offensively last season they were on par.'"
Is this Kirk's Caribbean brother? Yea Mon!
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I am not losing a debate here, you lost the debate a few pages ago. Your original statement was that Yeaman is not the best left centre in this city! you then dragged up stats from the last 3 years to try and prove the point that Welham is better offensively than Yeamon, [uI clearly pointed out this years squad were picked on last seasons performances [/uand Welham had only scored 1 more try than Yeaman, hence offensively last season they were on par.'"
Obviously it annoys you so hopefully you will be more considerate in your own posts in the future
A lesson learned perhaps.
McNamaras decision may have also been decided by Yeamans greater experiance as having made the decision to pick Reed 2 rookie centres at international level would of been a risk.
I'm more then capable of having a debate but its a pointless exercise with somebody who won't accept another point of view.
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Is there a way to stop a thread from bringing up a golden page thing? My OCD mean's I can't ignore them but this is seriously dull, I may find myself watching "I'm a Z-list Celebrity".'"
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