A valid post except for the "caravan" jibe that is totally infantile

And the last bit.

What's wrong with the last bit?

Do you think there are many rovers fans sat around not going to watch their side after they finished 4th? As I said, Hull are only really back where they peaked in the 80's. It's not as if they've suddenly found lots of fans they never had. Some will have died and new ones come along but the fan base is pretty muche where it is

Still so many people are missing the point. The ambition shown by rovers is superb for the game. If every club had this much ambition the game would be doing alot better. How good would super league be if every small club could get crowds like Hull KR with a team like Hull KR? Not calling Hull KR a small club btw but the likes of Cas and Wakey are not as big as Leeds. People talking about numbers and averages and how many rovers would take to a final is all pointless, most of it from FC fans scared that KR are having some good times for once, open your eyes and be pleased that a RL club is doing well. I personally was chuffed when Saints announced they were building a new stadium and crowds had gone up. This petty debating over a number is really childish, look at the bigger picture.

Nice post mate, however I feel you are wasting your time with many of our "friends" from across town. Rovers have never averaged more than 10K before, so it's impossible for it to ever happen. That would appear to be the logic.

I do. I know plenty of people who don't go to games because they can't get a covered seat, or a spot in the east stand. As it stands, fans need to buy a season pass to get in the proper areas of the ground and there’s a lot of people who can't afford or commit to that.

Match day 'walk up' support would increase if people knew they could get in the covered areas of the ground with a better view and atmosphere and theres loads of families who wont go because they don't like been stuck in the temp north stand exposed to the elements and poorer view.

Despite what you say, the likes of yourselves, wigan and wire have all experienced decent increases in support after moving to new stadia. If a hull fan fancies going to a game every now and then, he'll almost certainly get a good seat even if he only decides to go 10 minutes before kick-off. With us, that fan would need a whole season pass to realistically guarantee a decent spot in the ground.

Hull FC

season position highest lowest

2000 7th 8143 4080

2001 3rd 7581 5620

2002 5th 8908 5303

As opposed to your loyal and faithful following as shown above.

Intersting that Rovers have never had a SL crowd as LOW as your lowest in these seasons and our highest has topped yours for the three seasons we have been in SL.

You gained an INSTANT following (sorry 'faithful') when you went to the KC.

All clubs are the same, in fact considering your 3rd place in 2001, I'd say your crowds were very poor.

at the end of the day, trying to improve what you have is not a bad thing is it? I cant remember seeing a statement from the club about 14,000 TBH but if thats the intention then great, wether more fans would come we dont know yet do we, but one things for sure, there certainly wont come if we dont expand.

you stand still you die,

Was something said at your forum tonight about you expecting 12,000 once the east stand is extended?

Will it even hold 12,000 with the east stand extension? Presume it will be open some time during the summer will it?

Capacity is 10,500 now, so would imagine the capacity is right. Although is the Golf Stand still in service? Had heard otherwise, but must be OK if they're after 12k this season.

Did they really say they "expect" 12000, I imagine they would have had to explain what superlative marketing has happened for Rovers to "expect" 12000 a 25% or thereabouts increase in crowds.Now that would be something really special, and I hope you're right, but I think that it's more likely that they said the capacity would be 12,000 not the expected crowd size.

If you were this curious, why didn't you listen?


This is not what was said. They mentioned 10k to break even, getting the North stand built and one day aspiring to getting crowds of 12k. I'm pretty sure that the 12k figure and 'expecting' were not used in close conjunction.

If the ground was improved it would increase corporate entertaining, increase pay on the day fans, be more attractive to bringing families to the ground and see an increased away support this would see an increase in both the gate and revenue streams.

The flip side would be fans wouldn't 'have' to buy a season pass to get in their preffered stand / ground. This would mean the playing product would need to stay at a high level to keep bringing in new and 'floating' support.

Does that help to take your mind off things ?

Not wanting to get involved in any argument. My opinion is that we will struggle to get near 10,000 untill the ground has a larger capacity & people can turn up & pay on the day & take non pass holders on a spurr of the moment whim. As I have posted before the club misses out on about 20 attendencess per season as with the East stand sold out some of my family dont come with me as they can not get in with me & are not commited enough to apply for tickets. There must be others in the same position.

They need to sort out the anti social behaviour in the east stand too. My dobbins supporting cousin was threatened by some psihed up t0sser last year for daring to tell him to put his fag out

Do fans need to do that this year?. I know plenty that have decided against the whole club rovers thing and have just got tickets fairly easily for the east stand for the Big Kick-off even with your X actor loser entertainment and ticket offers to the local primary schools and netballers

Explain, 'cos you have me baffled there.

When the east stand is done, the aim is to try and get an average of around 10k.

With the East stand it will take capacity to 10,000 decent viewing positions. I'd be happy to see us getting over 9,000 and over 10 for the big games. Sadly as we know other clubs fans are reluctant to travel "all the way" to Hull so we will have to work damn hard to get new fans to games, a trophy or two and FC actually becoming real rivals will help.

I think that away following should be part of the franchise criteria. Both Hull clubs take good numbers away to every game, that has a huge benefit to each individual home club, but precious little financial benefit to either Hull or Rovers.

Say an average away following is 1000 paying around £15 entry to each game, that's £15K to each home club on ticket sales alone each time Hull or Rovers come to town. Over the season that's nearly £200K (from each set of supporters) benefit to the game (but not to either Hull club, who on the whole receive very poor away support). The argument for boosting away travelling supporters, is to me, compelling and, as I say, should be encouraged through the franchising process as there is actually very little the home club can do to encourage more visiting supporters, the onus should be on the away club to get more fans there.

I think it's a good idea, but it's not something under a club's direct control, like the ground, home attendances, finances, youth development etc. Realistically a club won't spend money incentivising its own fans to travel away when they have enough on trying to maximise home attendances.

They would if a license point was at stake.

A club could target sponsorship in the form of free or reduced travel to away games from coach operators or negotiate reciprocal deals with other clubs for incentives to travel.

All that is required is the will and incentive to do these things. At the moment there is no incentive and consequently no will.

It will never happen. It penalises clubs that are geographically isolated (Catalans, Quins etc). The RFL are pro-expansion and away fan numbers as a criteria would be working against that agenda.