Never seemed to recover from his ankle injury at castleford,and if he didnt think he was going to be released he must be very naive.

From the HDM quotes, it sounds like he was proactive in speaking to Rovers about his contract issue, which I don't think points to him being naïve or taking anything for granted.

Maybe he was naïve to have believed them in saying he had a future there?

Regardless of how crap he is and whether it was the right decision to let him go, it sounds like he deserved better from his employer.

As I've been partly paying his wages for the last two seasons I think I deserved better from him

You've probably contributed £5 to his annual salary, well done.

His performances aren't really relevant are they, in terms of how a player should be treated (assuming what he says is how it happened, and he's been messed about). His performances let us understand the reason Rovers didn't retain him, which was the right call, but not the way they apparently went about it.

He obviously trusted that he did have a future there and a new (and less £) contract would be on it's way, therefore he didn't plan to be effectively out of work. You could look at it one way and say he was naïve with that trust and not to plan for worst case, or that he's been messed about and it's left him in a pretty stressful position.

TBH you've heard 1 side of the story. He's not really going to turn round and say, 'I was too naive and its now landed me in the brown stuff' is he? You are summarizing based on evidence in an article which in itself is probably an exaggeration of what he said. Its about as reliable as someone on here saying they heard from a reliable source.

For what its worth, supporters knew months ago he wasn't going to be here in 2017 and that was before the mpg. Am I bothered he's leaving? Not really but i am disappointed he didn't live up to the expectations he set for the fans in his first season with us.

I said the same thing in my first post, and haven't worded anything to suggest otherwise.

If it was completely his own fault as you suggest, why would he say anything to the HDM at all?

I understand the 1 side of the story however, this doesn't look good for a club that will already be at a disadvantage for 2018 recruitment.

If supporters really knew he was going and therefore the club had made up their mind why wasn't he released straight after the MPG and given an opportunity to find another club when budgets were still available?

From outside this looks like a poor treatment of a loyal player

Seriously though, he said himself he hadn't even discussed any figures with us. It shows you how far his contract negotiations went.

The MPG was 01/10/16, our first signing wasn't announced until the week after, so there is a month gap between then and him being announced as released on the 10/11/16 (he likely knew before then)

He likely had a troubling month, when it dawned on him that he wasn't getting offered a deal. But I find it unlikely that he would have been taking out mortgages and buying new cars etc on the premise that someone may or may not have said "don't worry Kevin, contract's in the post".

Tbf, knowing how papers work, he might have been asked leading questions. Equally, he might be fed up and we might have been hedging our bets while, for example, Greenwood made up his mind.

After the some of naivety of recent times, the cost-benefit of being ruthless on this occasion is reassuring, for all that I feel for Monsieur Larroyer.

Any reputational damage will be offset if we start winning games again, and will not be among our more pressing concerns if we don't. The binning off of poor injured Shannon McDonnell doesn't keep Hull fans awake, as they snuggle up at night in their Jamie Shaul pyjamas, I'm sure. It's callous game - which is why I don't blame Adam Walker, based on what's in the public domain.

Has people have said and I have said he is crap and I bet he knows it he must have seen himself in the team videos and thought I can play better then that some French club will sign him good bye I don't think we will miss you

Outstanding. You are a shoe in for the "analogy of the month" award with the Shannon McDonnell - Jamie Shaul reference, Mild Rover.

It is good.

Has ex Super Kev not got an agent?

If he has I suggest he gets a different one.

Nobody negotiates any contract (especially not with Remington Mike) on a nod and a wink and comes out if it well.

Certainly not the tuck shop man.

Is Remington Mike Remington Steel's s#it older brother?

He's worse than that, he's like the rubbish younger foster kid brother when people used to take foster kids in purely for the money.

You mean people take foster kids on for something else other than the money

I've often wondered Squire.

I liked Larroyer but agree he was poor last year but many others who re signed are still here and had a bigger hand in our relegation .I suspect he could have been a stand out in this division.certainly more than Clarkson or Horne .still in things like this you have to trust our management. Sad that it's ended on a sour note for the player who seemed a good lad

The HDM reports today that Horne is not taking part in full training due to his ongoing back problems.
He will be reassessed in the new year. This is 1 month before the start of the season. so will not be match fit for some time.
Does this makes the Larroyer decision a little more strange?

When you look at the forwards now
Tilse
Lunt
Scruton
Clarke
Blair
Greenwood
Addy
Donaldson
Clarkson
Mulhearn
Milton
Lawler
Plus possibly some of the younger lads in the squad I think the club were justified in letting Larroyer go the way he was playing over the past couple is seasons.
I have stated I don't think the way he was being told to play helped him,but then that is only my opinion

Even without Horne, we could start with Blair-Addy-Greenwood, With Clarkson on the bench. For example.

If they were all injured we could put a prop at 13, with Donaldson and Lawler as our (admittedly undersized) second-row pairing. Cator or Milton on the bench. Probably still okay at this level if we're not too hard hit elsewhere.

Backrow is where we have most depth, IMO. Wing, fullback and prop would all be priorities ahead of another backrower.

So taking all this into consideration, do we need a half fit player who didn't have a particularly good 2016 season taking up very much needed salary cap, or are we showing unfair loyalty to a "local lad" over an overseas player ?
for what it's worth, I think both should have been released

I think there is consensus on here that letting Larroyer go was the right decision, BR, due to his consistently sub par on field performances during the last 2 seasons. Perhaps the manner in which it was done by the club was questionable, especially from a communication standpoint.

That brings me nicely on to Graeme Horne. Would that be the same ongoing back problems that flared up when he missed those 2 vital tackles at the end of the MPG? If you listen to Jamie Peacock being interviewed today on Hull KR.TV, he twice refers to the fact that we were 2 missed tackles away from staying in Super League - a statement I agree 100% with.

I apologise in advance to Graeme Horne and any of his admirers for this seemingly matter of fact statement, but perversely it would do the club an immense favour if Horne was to succumb to this recurring back injury and retire from the game.

To me, his performances and contributions over the last 2 seasons have been just marginally better than Larroyer's, therefore undeserving of another 12 month contract imo. Perhaps Horne has already received the JP tap on the shoulder, my office in 10 minutes signal. In which case, the HDM article extract is marketing spin for the inevitable.

You've missed off Lawler from your list. I can see Jubb and Moran having more game time this season as well, possibly Cator. I also expect us to sign another forward, most likely a big prop. It's hard to see where Horne would get a game anyway, unless we pencil him in as reserve centre.



In the event of that unthinkable scenario, we could kiss goodbye to any promotion hopes.

I think with Horne having recently signed a Championship contract with us and him playing a part in pre-season training already, means he is in the coach's plans.

I read the mini-press release and took away that he was training, but due to his back condition he was not in "full" training yet. This might explain why it was a paragraph below a story, as it hardly seems newsworthy.

Added Lawler