suttonrobin I'm sure you did this ages ago and to be honest it kinda freaks me out, please just say who you are.

get a room you two xxxxxxx

This would be the "Tackle Buster" Dowes that indeed broke more tackles last season than superstar Moobs Clinton, Liam Watts, Jason Netherton or Scott Wheeldon managed?

Yet still Hull only kept him because they missed out on their front row targets and decided at the 11th hour that there was nobody else on the market.

Also quite convieniant that you failed to mention that Dowes played more games then all those barring Watts who played Loose Forward for most of the year.

Hilarious. You single out Dowes as a player of the level of Mills, and openly mock his tackle bust ratio as an embarrassment. Tell you what, let's take into account games played then. Read it and weep:









Dowes 15 in 25 = 0.60 per game
Clinton 13 in 23 = 0.57 per game
Watts 14 in 26 = 0.54 per game
Wheeldon 9 in 22 = 0.41 per game
Netherton 8 in 24 = 0.33 per game

Hardly suprising.
1 more bust than Liam but Dowes had taken the ball up 24 more times but Liam has off loaded 17 more times which if I was you I would be worried about.


2 more than Clinton but Dowes has taken the ball up 40 more times but Joel has made more over 150 meters more which if I was you I would be worried about.


7 more than Netherton but Dowes has taken the ball up 141 more times (clearly Jason Netherton is a poor comparision to any normal person)


6 more that Wheeldon but Dowes has taken the ball up 129 more times (clearly Scott Wheeldon is a poor comaprision to any norma person)


And lets not forget that apart from Liam Watts the LF Dowes has played more games than all of them


The point I am making is that you can make stats say anything if you look enough.

I'm not claiming that Dowes is a great prop. GML picked him out as an embarrassment, very [uspecifically[/u in the tackle bust department. Fact is, even as 5th choice workhorse (ie non impact) prop, his tackle busts per game are better than most Rovers props. Bring other elements of the game into it if you like, but that's irrelevant to GML singling out Dowes' alleged ineffectiveness as a tacklebuster when, in comparison, he compares favourably to Clinton, Watts, Netherton and Wheeldon. Strange he not laughing at them, particularly when you consider Clinton was the highest paid forward at the Broncos, yet breaks fewer tackles than a no-mark like poor Dowes.

How does playing Loose Forward effect things?

The top 3 tackle busters in SL were Tomkins, Chase and Manu. After them 3 it was a few wingers and centres.

There's been no claim that Dowes is a great prop, but you chose to ridicule him for tackle busting, something it transpires he's not actually that bad at.

I'm not claiming that Dowes is a great prop. GML picked him out as an embarrassment, very specifically in the tackle bust department. Fact is, even as 5th choice workhorse (ie non impact) prop, his tackle busts per game are better than most Rovers props. Bring other elements of the game into it if you like, but that's irrelevant to GML singling out Dowes' alleged ineffectiveness as a tacklebuster when, in comparison, he compares favourably to Clinton, Watts, Netherton and Wheeldon. Strange he not laughing at them, particularly when you consider Clinton was the highest paid forward at the Broncos, yet breaks fewer tackles than a no-mark like poor Dowes.





None of which is to do with David Mills, strange how its off thread again mrs b

So where has Mills actually gone if he's not re-signed with us?

With the regards to the 'tackle bust' statistics , I suppose that only tells some of the story.
Part of the equation would be how many defenders are required to stop the run.

Not seen enough of Dowes to know how many defenders are generally assigned to stop his rampaging attacking runs.

She seems pleased that they retained him.
Almost as pleased as the rest of the super league.
Damn we should have released one of those 4 players and gone all out to pinch Dowes from under the grasp of Richard Agar obviously.

Am i right in thinking Dowes stalled on a new contract due to a proposed pay cut and whilst OCC hull AFAIK hardly seemed overwhelmed from other S.L. coaches with offers to sign him up..... and when he did re-sign because of hull's failure to capture other projected targets the majority of fans on their forum didn't seem overly impressed he had been re-signed.

Likewise the overwhelming majority of Rovers fans were delighted Mills was released so on reflection it appears most HKR fans and Mrs B were all delighted with their respective clubs aquisition and release respectively.

At last the true point comes out.

Mills was Rovers weakest Prop and was released.
Dowes is Hull's weakest and got a new deal.

In a nutshell.

Mrs Borista = OWNED

Not at all. The thread has gone like this:

GML chooses to slag Ewan Dowes as the equivalent of Mills and specifically to mock his tackle busting as embarrassing.
I then point out that Dowes, who I don't particularly rate, as our 5th choice prop is still better from a tackle busting perspective than 4 of Rovers props, including the superstar that was the highest paid forward at Brisbane and was being touted for Man of Steel on here.
Whether you rate Dowes or not, and clearly you don't, and I don't, you'd look a complete chump singling out his tackle-busting as an embarrassment when he outperforms most Rovers props on this measure.
I note GML fails to point out in his glee at FC missing out on LMS and Fielden, that Rovers were definitely targetting Radford (a point GML himself has confirmed himself) yet couldn't manage even him.
Still, with Mason arriving in 2 days, and the tackle-busting marvels you already have, I'm sure that's all forgotten.

Nice try, but no cigar, I'm afraid. You specifically mocked Dowes' tackle-busting. His tackle-busting is better than that of Clinton, Watts, Wheeldon and Netherton. Dress it up how you like, but those are the facts.





Of course, as you confimed on here, Morgan did have a target prop, Radford, but were disappointed to miss out.

Oh, come on, Roofs, which bit is a lie?
Not the Radford bit, clearly:



Nor the stats bit on tacklebusting:
Dowes 15 in 25 = 0.60 per game
Clinton 13 in 23 = 0.57 per game
Watts 14 in 26 = 0.54 per game
Wheeldon 9 in 22 = 0.41 per game
Netherton 8 in 24 = 0.33 per game

Do be more specfic.

Where have these tacklebusting stats come from?

Oh dear.
We could get technical and point out that Morgan has a preference for more mobile props who cover the ground quicker and get a quicker play the ball away but i fear it would go completely over your head.
I await Ewan's line breaking performances with interest now

We could, but you tried that by singling out Dowes' tacklebusts as a specific area of weakness when he outperforms your MOS-elect as well as Watts in this respect. Best not.


Well based on last year's stats you'll wait less time to see one from Ewan than the majority of your props.

Yeah best not as you would be lost totally.
Dowes for England

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Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Yeah best not as you would be lost totally. [uDowes for England[/u '" Been there, done that. www.englandrl.co.uk/internationa ... submit.y=8