Cheers. So seems that my mate knows more than most on here about the aspirations of your club ( surprised that our esteemed member of teh local press didn't know this one)

Ha, no worries. You made a fair point anyway, but I actually think facilities counts for a lot. Look how hull's attendances increased with the kc move, and whilst they dropped a little last year, they still get good crowds despite having had two very mediocre seasons on the bounce.

Fact is as it stands unless you can commit/afford a season pass, you're either going to get a poor view or at best an average seat exposed to the elements watching Rovers. Increase the capacity and improve the facilities and suddenly you appeal to those who can't/won't buy a pass (and thats a hell of a lot of people).

GML was refering to Hudge's recent comments that it is important to aim for a 10k average. That is the short term aim, but he has said that long-term we would be looking closer to 14k.

I disagree. Hull get good crowds because they have had some success in the recent past and the increased interest from rover being in SL. There will be an element of improvement due to the stadium but not that significant IMO. Hull are basically where they were in 1982/83 in attendance terms.

There are plenty of other sports teams in new stadiums who haven't seen massive increase in attendances

It's taken 8 pages, but you finally got 1 post that backs up your original post. Must be true then!

Your crowds almost doubled when you moved to the KC, despite no success. compare that when, after winning the cup in 2005, the following year saw a massive increase of 300.

Really supports your "success = crowds" theory!

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Rovers in a final would take 10000-15000. Fc would and have taken 20000-25000.
If asked where are ours the same could be said of yours.

You calling him a liar? Seems to be the only sensible rovers fan on the forum

HUll's crowds have gone up primarilly due to us having our best side in many years, having a competitive side in SL rather than one at the bottom (last 2 seasons excepted

), a general increase in SL crowds and increased interest in the city due to rovers being in SL.

Hull have always had a bigger following than rovers and the current gap between the 2 % wise is where it has traditionally been when both sides were doing well. I doubt if having better facilities would suddenly gives your crowds a big boost. They would likely go up but you wouldn't be getting 1000's more at caravan park purely down to that.

You also have to remember that 6000 or so of the current fans you get had no interest in the club 4 years ago. I doubt there are many more who would want to go who don't because your ground isn't up to scratch

Melbourne Storm barely average a 3rd that of Brisane Broncos. Hey ho.

I could say the same about your club, Both clubs have a healthy proportion of "johnny come latelys".

Ha. Can you edit that to include my name? I need a new sig.



Seriously though, building a 14k capacity stadium and having a 14k average are two different things.

A valid post except for the "caravan" jibe that is totally infantile

And the last bit.

What's wrong with the last bit?

Do you think there are many rovers fans sat around not going to watch their side after they finished 4th? As I said, Hull are only really back where they peaked in the 80's. It's not as if they've suddenly found lots of fans they never had. Some will have died and new ones come along but the fan base is pretty muche where it is

Still so many people are missing the point. The ambition shown by rovers is superb for the game. If every club had this much ambition the game would be doing alot better. How good would super league be if every small club could get crowds like Hull KR with a team like Hull KR? Not calling Hull KR a small club btw but the likes of Cas and Wakey are not as big as Leeds. People talking about numbers and averages and how many rovers would take to a final is all pointless, most of it from FC fans scared that KR are having some good times for once, open your eyes and be pleased that a RL club is doing well. I personally was chuffed when Saints announced they were building a new stadium and crowds had gone up. This petty debating over a number is really childish, look at the bigger picture.

Nice post mate, however I feel you are wasting your time with many of our "friends" from across town. Rovers have never averaged more than 10K before, so it's impossible for it to ever happen. That would appear to be the logic.

I do. I know plenty of people who don't go to games because they can't get a covered seat, or a spot in the east stand. As it stands, fans need to buy a season pass to get in the proper areas of the ground and there’s a lot of people who can't afford or commit to that.

Match day 'walk up' support would increase if people knew they could get in the covered areas of the ground with a better view and atmosphere and theres loads of families who wont go because they don't like been stuck in the temp north stand exposed to the elements and poorer view.

Despite what you say, the likes of yourselves, wigan and wire have all experienced decent increases in support after moving to new stadia. If a hull fan fancies going to a game every now and then, he'll almost certainly get a good seat even if he only decides to go 10 minutes before kick-off. With us, that fan would need a whole season pass to realistically guarantee a decent spot in the ground.

Hull FC

season position highest lowest

2000 7th 8143 4080

2001 3rd 7581 5620

2002 5th 8908 5303

As opposed to your loyal and faithful following as shown above.

Intersting that Rovers have never had a SL crowd as LOW as your lowest in these seasons and our highest has topped yours for the three seasons we have been in SL.

You gained an INSTANT following (sorry 'faithful') when you went to the KC.

All clubs are the same, in fact considering your 3rd place in 2001, I'd say your crowds were very poor.

at the end of the day, trying to improve what you have is not a bad thing is it? I cant remember seeing a statement from the club about 14,000 TBH but if thats the intention then great, wether more fans would come we dont know yet do we, but one things for sure, there certainly wont come if we dont expand.

you stand still you die,

Was something said at your forum tonight about you expecting 12,000 once the east stand is extended?

Will it even hold 12,000 with the east stand extension? Presume it will be open some time during the summer will it?

Capacity is 10,500 now, so would imagine the capacity is right. Although is the Golf Stand still in service? Had heard otherwise, but must be OK if they're after 12k this season.

Did they really say they "expect" 12000, I imagine they would have had to explain what superlative marketing has happened for Rovers to "expect" 12000 a 25% or thereabouts increase in crowds.Now that would be something really special, and I hope you're right, but I think that it's more likely that they said the capacity would be 12,000 not the expected crowd size.

If you were this curious, why didn't you listen?


This is not what was said. They mentioned 10k to break even, getting the North stand built and one day aspiring to getting crowds of 12k. I'm pretty sure that the 12k figure and 'expecting' were not used in close conjunction.

If the ground was improved it would increase corporate entertaining, increase pay on the day fans, be more attractive to bringing families to the ground and see an increased away support this would see an increase in both the gate and revenue streams.

The flip side would be fans wouldn't 'have' to buy a season pass to get in their preffered stand / ground. This would mean the playing product would need to stay at a high level to keep bringing in new and 'floating' support.