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| Quote ="Paul T - HKR"If Jordan Lee will never be ready then why is he at the club, but more to the point why did the club send him on the Oz Academy tour? '"
I'm in no position to comment about the youth - but I do realise that not every player we have on the books will 'make it' - hell, I doubt even 80% would make it. Even the top teams will have a high proportion of 'drop outs' too. If we binned them all - we simply wouldn't be able to field a team.
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| Quote ="redallen"briers ???'"
Plays for Warrington. I know its difficult to comprehend.
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| Quote ="Paul T - HKR"If Jordan Lee will never be ready then why is he at the club, but more to the point why did the club send him on the Oz Academy tour?
I listen and read people commenting that none of the academy half backs are ready. I even asked Justin last season ‘why aren’t these guys ready?’ I told Justin to his face he was wrong to persist with Murrell instead of giving one of these lads a chance. He went along with the general consensus of - its their age, their size, too early in their development, lack of maturity, they’ll get roughed up, they’ll burn out, they’ll make mistakes, they’ll lose confidence, they need nursemaiding, blah blah!
I watched these guys regularly last season and they are the best we have in reserve. To me that makes them next choice. The thing is, the coaching staff will never know if these guys are ready if they aren’t given a chance.'"
Justin Morgan was spot on. He was criticised for having an over cautious approach with our youngsters like Taylor and Cox but looking at their performances now he was clearly spot on. They get their chance when they are physically and mentally ready, not before.
I watched every home Reserve game last season and a few of the away ones. Jordan Lee will never be a Super League player. I dont like to sound harsh and everybody who reads my posts knows that i like to praise our young players but on this occasion i think im right.
Matty Behharrel is a really good player and i think stands a chance of making it. However, anybody who watched him play in the friendly against Featherstone (his first game against men) and would still play him against Saints and Wire clearly have no regard for the kids well being and future. He would be physically and mentally smashed.
Our best young half is Matty Marsh who played for the Scholarship last season and featured briefly at the end of the Academy season. After half a dozen Academy games this season i fully expect fans to be clamouring for the 16 year old to be in the first team...
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| Quote ="SirStan"Plays for Warrington. I know its difficult to comprehend.'"
And scored twice for them yesterday plus would require more salary than we probably have available on the cap.
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| 6/8weeks for Dobbo from a players mouth today.
Cant see how we can go into the loan market, were running at full cap apparently, and its only a couple of injuries we still have people in our fulltime squad that can play there so wont get any dispensation.
For me its got to be Withers with either Hall or Murrell - my personal option would be Withers at 7, Hall at 2, Murrell at 6 and Lovegrove at 13.
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| 6: Hall
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No need to =#FF0000mess-Clement VII about getting complicated.
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| Quote ="redallen"briers ???'"
Signed for FC about 7 years ago, we are just keeping it hush hush still.
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| give bell a go whats the worst that can happen you never know if there ready unless you play them
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| Quote ="rover49"6: Hall
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No need to pi$$ about getting complicated.'"
Do you mean we keep naming hall at 2 but play him at 6 as we have been doing or are you advocating having hall named and playing at 6 with presumably latus on the wing
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"give bell a go whats the worst that can happen you never know if there ready unless you play them'"
There were quite a few on here calling for Bell to be given a run last year when Dobson was injured.
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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"I'm in no position to comment about the youth - but I do realise that not every player we have on the books will 'make it' - hell, I doubt even 80% would make it. Even the top teams will have a high proportion of 'drop outs' too. If we binned them all - we simply wouldn't be able to field a team.'"
Usually even less than 80%, normally only 1 player from a team of under 18s make it, if lucky 2 at SL level, a fair amount go on to NL1 though.
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| sydney area based aussie, one of last years stars thats fallen down the pecking order slightly? strong rumour from a good source.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Justin Morgan was spot on. He was criticised for having an over cautious approach with our youngsters like Taylor and Cox but looking at their performances now he was clearly spot on. They get their chance when they are physically and mentally ready, not before.
I watched every home Reserve game last season and a few of the away ones. Jordan Lee will never be a Super League player. I dont like to sound harsh and everybody who reads my posts knows that i like to praise our young players but on this occasion i think im right.
Matty Behharrel is a really good player and i think stands a chance of making it. However, anybody who watched him play in the friendly against Featherstone (his first game against men) and would still play him against Saints and Wire clearly have no regard for the kids well being and future. He would be physically and mentally smashed.
Our best young half is Matty Marsh who played for the Scholarship last season and featured briefly at the end of the Academy season. After half a dozen Academy games this season i fully expect fans to be clamouring for the 16 year old to be in the first team...'"
Absolutely spot on - totally agree.
When looking at a replacement it depends what our priorities are. Even though Withers would probably be the best option I'd prefer to keep him at dummy-half interchanging with Hodgson to capitalise on our front-row strength.
Our main priority IMO is ensuring we have another kicking option other than Hall so would that would have to be Murrell for me. There'd also be pluses for putting Murrell there from a defensive point of view because with Lovegrove & Murrell defending in the half-back positions there'd be no easy holes for the opposition to run at. He's also got experience and can put people through gaps. Of course if Murrell played 7 then we could put another front-rower @ 13 like Watts etc.
The game is far more physical than it ever has been and it would be irresponsible to throw a youngster in who isn't ready.
Craig Sandercock has an exemplary record of developing youngsters so I trust he knows best.
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| Quote ="richiestorr"sydney area based aussie, one of last years stars thats fallen down the pecking order slightly? strong rumour from a good source.'"
Is he called Richie Storr?
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| Quote ="richiestorr"sydney area based aussie, one of last years stars thats fallen down the pecking order slightly? strong rumour from a good source.'"
It's been 2 years in the making, but what a brilliant 1st post. Welcome to the forum, we love a good rumour about un-named players on here. You will fit right in, just come back with a name before 2014 please.
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| I reckon we should de-register Dobbo, Green and Galea and sign Lockyear and Cronk.
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| Quote ="dum-dum"I reckon we should de-register Dobbo, Green and Galea and sign Lockyear and Cronk.'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"There were quite a few on here calling for Bell to be given a run last year when Dobson was injured.'"
the vast majority of those though have never seen the kid play, those of us that have seen a fair bit of him know he's nowhere near ready, he really needs a season out on loan in the championship to take the next step up imho unfortunately with the exception of wattsy a few years ago its not an approach rovers have ever really embraced.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"give bell a go whats the worst that can happen you never know if there ready unless you play them'"
It's very hard to resist a bit of [ireductio ad absurdum[/i. But I shall.
I'm sure Sandercock will be delighted to consider him when he's ready - and he perhaps isn't far away. I know very little about it, but maybe he and Dave Scott would be near the top of the list for full-time deals next year? Maybe that could even be brought forward. But right now he's a teenage, part-time loose forward as far as I can tell. Withers and Murrell/Hall looks a better bet to me.
Playing youngsters is a means not an end.
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| Go on rooplet, feed the fish kid.
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Just to save the east Hull google connection from catching aflame.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Murray
No offence to the lad, but just how bad do you think SL is roopy?
He'll probably sign now I've said that. Hopefully he'd at least have the decency to make me look an idiot twice over.
We'd need a non-fed (and probably quota) spot, which'd mean de-registering Green in all likelihood.
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Just to save the east Hull google connection from catching aflame.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Murray
No offence to the lad, but just how bad do you think SL is roopy?
He'll probably sign now I've said that. Hopefully he'd at least have the decency to make me look an idiot twice over.
We'd need a non-fed (and probably quota) spot, which'd mean de-registering Green in all likelihood.
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| Oh cock, lets not go down that de-reg route again, I hope we learned something last season.
=#FF0000Can we not dodge the swear filter? Please. Cock isn't even ing in it! Pius IV
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"It's very hard to resist a bit of [ireductio ad absurdum[/i. But I shall.
I'm sure Sandercock will be delighted to consider him when he's ready - and he perhaps isn't far away. I know very little about it, but maybe he and Dave Scott would be near the top of the list for full-time deals next year? Maybe that could even be brought forward. But right now he's a teenage, part-time loose forward as far as I can tell. Withers and Murrell/Hall looks a better bet to me.
Playing youngsters is a means not an end.'"
It's almost like you fast forwarded 12 months and did find and replace, Morgan and Sandercock:
Quote ="Mild Rover"Bell was playing still playing under-18s last year, wasn't he? If he is amongst the best 17 players available, then I'm confident Morgan will pick him. The coaches see him train regularly - they'll know how close he is. I [uwant[/u him to be ready, but if he isn't yet that isn't a reflection on the club's overall commitment to developing players.'"
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| [urlhttp://www.zerotackle.com.au/parramatta-eels-release-brad-murray-2105/[/url
Quote Murray has been under close scrutiny since last November, when it emerged he was part of a suspicious betting plunge on a North Queensland Cowboys penalty goal to be the first scoring play in a game against the Canterbury Bulldogs.'"
Let's hope not, eh?
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