With all respect that is just pure nonsense.

He has a class step, he'd be able to take advantage of it more if he had some pace.

In your opinion.
I like Washbrook but id say Murrell is the better player.
Washbrook can be awful defensively yet thats an area you pinpointed as Murrell weakness.

i wonder if you would of said that if i said he could

Lets agree to disagree.

Washbrook is technically better in just about every department. He busts the line, he's quick, has great hands and defends superbly. He gets his head in tight and his contact is generally very sound. I would take him over Murrell any day of the week and twice on a Sunday.

It takes more than a late tackle on Brad Drew to get an England shirt

I think most people are saying he's not international quality yet.

As for Washbrook, I rate him highly, but on last years showing it'd be Murrell for me.

I can speak here without any blinkers and have no bias towards either player, but anyone suggesting Murrell is a better player than Washbrook really does have rocks for brains.

Jonny Queer is still in there i see with the petty insults.




Murrell is better defensively.
Has a better kicking game and can lead the team around the park better then Washbrook.
Id say at ball handling they are on a par and Washbrook has the advantage on making clean breaks / tackle busts.

No blinkers at all.
Some Hull players are better then their counterparts at Craven Park but in this instance i believe Murrell to be the better of the 2.

At least a dozen players in front of him. I just want him to concentrate on playing well for Rovers, but he's about as close to an international shirt as Kris Welham - a long way away.

I named 7
Then Washbrook was put into the hat.
Who are the other 4 ?

Always liked that Jonny Queer guy, spoke very sensibly most of the time



I'm sorry but there is no chance on gods green earth that Murrell is better defensively than Washbrook. He may have the edge in the kicking department and the need to lead the team around the park is a non argument.

Like i said, lets agree to disagree Paintboy

what's a darby?

My username on the unofficial forum.
Very transparant me, never felt the need to hide who i am



If you can somehow get to see the tries from Celtic / Hull earlier this season you will see what my point is with Washbrook's defence.
3 Celtic tries where scored because of him.
Whenever i see Hull live or on sky he is weak in this facet of his game.
Murrell's missed tackle count is offset by the amount of defensive work he gets through in 80 minutes IMO.
Plus i dont recall many tries being conceded because of Murrell's defence.
I thought the Monaghan try last week may have been one but after seeing the game on TV that was down to Galea shooting out the line.

Scott has a good football brain can organise & tackles well above his size, but even with my red & white specks on I dont think he is quiet good enough for England. For one good reason he has no pace if he gets through the gap & to put him ahead of Westerman (who is something very special indeed)or Sinfield well I just dont see it. I would be very happy to be proved wrong as I like him in our side & hope he is around for a lot more seasons & who knows in a couple of seasons?

No he isn't. Murrell has a far superior passing and kicking game by a million miles - absolutely no comparision, Murrell is naturally gifted in this department.

Washbrook is a far better runner of the ball and he can bust tackles.

Defensively both players have different attitudes to defence so it's probably more of a matter of opinion.

Horses for courses whether you want a runner/tackle buster (Washbrook) or a distiributor/kicker (Murrell).

Yup, i can see through you most of the time



Hows my old mate Bazza doing??

Will be up to his eyeballs in nappies by now.



Another point im actually friends with Danny Washbrooks uncle & aunt so wouldnt risk upsetting them if i didnt view him with an honest opinion.

Fair enough.

For me Washbrook has all the attributes to be the perfect modern day LF and is potentially top class. He is technically competant in all the necessary facets of the game and WILL become an international player in due course.

Its also worth noting he would have played for England in 2007 but for his shoulder injury

Just shows what influence being a local celebrity can have

Isnt he top of the missed tackle charts?

Just to add some info for the Washy v Murrell debate

[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2008&hp1=2128&hs2=2008&hp2=1921&stat=tries&season=2009[/url

Murrell played half the games Washy did so simply double his figures. By that estimation he would outperform Washy by 1 try and get 10 assists v Washys 5. Washy is outperforming Murrell in every other category, including tackle busys by 71 to 26 and clean breaks 14 to 10. Defensively Washy also made 714 tackles compared to an estimated 642 by Murrell.

All this and in a well beaten team! Puts the arguement to bed for me!!

But 6th in tackles made .
Did you forget to look at that stat



Averages 34 tackles per game.
Misses 4.5 on average but as mentioned earlier in the thread not in crucial areas that have led to shipping points

So on that basis Murrell's estimated error count for the season was 8 to Washy's actual 19

Washbrooke is a better athlete but Murrell is on a different level in terms of natural ability.

both good players,in truth think scott would be a better 9 than anything else great tackling and work rate,but not the best runner of the ball,hooker would suit him down to the ground....but he is no shaun berrigan