Harsh. It's a theory, though. Would you say, for example, that Morgan's overt enthusiasm is undimmed this season? That he wasn't hacked off about Mason? That the standard of performance he is getting from the resources at his disposal is equal to what it was in 2009? OK then.

I think you're wrong in a number of ways in your viewing rovers from the outside, there's no doubt that we're not the side we were last year but there are a number of reasons for that in my opinion, I don't think you've got anywhere near it though to be honest. I think you're in danger of judging our coach and board by the standards you're used to.

what =#FF0000Edit-RW me off if some players are just undropable and are too complacent knowing they will be picked however they play. IMO Cook has played well and deserved to keep his place over Newton, it was up to Newton to win his place back. I would be ed off knowing that how good i do i would be dropped as soon as someone is fit.

Let's hear your thoughts then. Don't think I've hypothesised anything outrageous tbh. As for judging your board unfairly, the only point I mentioned about the board was that IMO Mason was their signing rather than Morgan's pro active selection. Mason was far less a Morganesque signing than Green, for example, don't you agree?

right then since you asked, first of all morgan doesn't make hard calls over releasing players, he has no sentiment about it whatsoever and views all players when resigning or releasing on a purely useful to his plan basis.

his signing of players has been no better or worse than any other coach imho, he's signed players of the callibre of grand final winners galea and newton who have been brilliant and he has had flops such as garrett crossman, he's also signed many players who fall in between. the thing is regardless who you're signing, all signings have an element of risk, even the best players might not settle for one reason or another, too many people forget this.

I take your point cooke and mason do not appear to be morgan's choice, but anybody who knows them will tell you morgan and hudgell work hand in glove with each other, tell me which coach in superleague signs only the players he wants, there is always compromises between board and coach particularly with the salary cap to consider.

You also talk about his tactical insight, well I've watched every rovers game in superleague and sure enough there were occassions when we have done a job on the opposition and plenty of times when our gameplan has come up short particularly against Hudersfield! possibly one of the reasons why we are struggling at the moment arguably could be the top sides have moved on to a "St helensesque" style of play whilst our teams are still trying to grind out results on the back of field position.

As for players moving on if morgan goes, well contracts dictate who goes and who stays and a few of our best are signed on for next year already.

Now I'm not one of those bagging morgan or calling for his head, our poor away form this year (and it is just the away form) could be due to losing our best playmaker and best forward for a long period, a limited game plan, limited recruitment last season due to the mason big splash signing or a combination of all 3. What I would say is in the time morgan has been coaching us he has earned the right to have 1 poor season. As his contract is up at the end of next season he will know more than most that can't carry on next season. personally I've found it a disappointing season but I'm not worried and its not over yet.

That's me told, then.

Good points although I wasn't suggesting players would follow him if he went unless they were OOC. As you say, Newton, Green, Dobson, Clinton, Fox, Webster etc all under contract so unlikely to be major movement on big salary players in the short term. I would imagine Morgan will see out his contract anyway, but he just seems a bit jaded to me.

well you did ask,

, if we do what at the moment looks impossible and win at saints in the cup and who knows what will happen by the time the next round is here, I suspect you'll see a lot more vitality in the rovers camp all round!

You make a valid point about him seeming jaded and the squad look down, but in all fairness all teams in a bad run have a coach who seems jaded and a squad who seem down. For instance when we got on top in the derby, the spark seemed to come back, the team looked together and Morgan seemed very up beat.

I agree with your earlier point about Mason, JM doesn;t seem to deal with 'difficult' players and situations very well, gets very short with interviewers and it seems like a hassle he could do without. I does become a major distraction to him and ultimately the squad.

The coach is not the problem, the board is not the problem, off the field is not the problem, the support is not the problem.


Its all about the players....... They seem to be unable or unwilling to follow basic instructions and Dobson is one of them. I was at the last training session before the Leeds game and I can tell you the plan was to kick early and defend the line quickly. It was simple. Justin will be here for another 2 years and I hope he is. I understand a list has been drawn up of players he wants to retain and a list of targets.

Lets hope with the ground improvements and more good news for the south stand we have a team next season that will WIN!

Simple but ineffective.

In the 1st half Dobson kicked on 3rd/4th tackle on at least 6 occasions, including once slipping badly on contact. The chase was ok, but we couldn't contain Leeds in their own 20 due to losing the contact in virtually all the tackles. Nothing to do with Dobson not following the gameplan at all. Leeds were just too strong, to fast, and too willing to give the ball some air despite the conditions, 3 things Rovers seem incapable of this season.

Reported in the Daily Star today that Justin has been added to the wish list at Penrith?

You surley do not believe that because 45 minutes ago you claimed Morgan will be with you for tne next 2 yrs!

The Daily Star? That bastion of all RL knowledge? Didn't I see someone on here saying that it was Cas Morgan was headed to according to the DS only a couple of weeks ago?

The way Morgan is currently coaching, no way will he get a job in Penrith, or any other Cumbrian club for that matter!

Possibly a symptom rather than an underlying cause though. Much easier to be ebullient in the press when you're doing well.

It is difficult to say the right thing when you're losing and generally off the pace. Too much optimism and you're in denial/a fantasist. Too negative and you're uninspiring. And there's the 'same old excuses' charge.

Nobody would ever complain about the repetition of positives on a winning streak. It could be 'defended well as a team', 'put them under pressure' and 'took our chances when they came', literally every week and nobody would moan.

Until you can start saying that, you're as well saying nowt.

Was more referring to his general demeanour tbh and specifically his mojo or lackthereof at present. He's normally very upbeat and IMO he's lost usual spark. I still believe that the Mason shambles has had a material impact on Rovers season and that Morgan's been unhappy about a signing that didn't fit his recruitment profile at all, has been administered very poorly and resulted in unwelcome disruption for a number of weeks. I certainly think Morgan has plenty more to offer RL, but I guess the question for him is whether, if there are other offers on the table, they would stretch his development more than another year or more at Hull KR.

His general demeanor is very similar to how it is when we've had slumps before, I don;t think theres a big difference only that this one is going on a lot longer than previoulsy.

Although the timing was a bit strange I was not surprised to see Morgan linked with an NRL club and as its home I would imagine he would jump at the chance if offered.

Do anyone else think he will have to change the way he deals with the media ? NRL is a much bigger affair in Aus and I don't think the Aussie press will put up with surliness and refusal to talk to them.

Most definitely. Although, he's not on his own in this respect, and certainly can't "dummy spit" to international standards like McNamara managed on Sunday.

As I said earlier every coach has a sticky season not matter how good they are, Justin has to accept responsiblitiy for this mess and he will have to accountable to the board. But there a few players which lack pride and passion in the shirt and one or two of them are taking the pee.

I would get rid of the following as I dont feel they can cut it anymore sadly one of them has been given a new 2yr contract: colborn, vella, Clinton,lovegrove,briscoe maybe murrell, i feel we are going backwards at mo and need a shake up: promote James green and Kristian bell to 1st team but nurture them. Try to get Jon Wilkin home and Dave hodgson,

I realise that some robins aren't going to be happy with what i am stating, But we cant sit back and say everythings wonderful when they aren't. If next season is the same as this season then Justin should be sacked.

PS well don to NSW whose just won the origin game

Ta for the spoiler - that will save me watching the damn thing when I get in tonight

Gives you chance to go out and cut the grass.

Be as it may but Mason, board signing or not was a potential gamebreaker if used right and even if Morgan didnt have him on a hit list he surely wouldnt have turned him down.

I'm suggesting that Morgan may have chosen to invest Mason's salary elsewhere if given a free hand. You already had Newton, Galea, Murrell, Cook, Netherton and Watts as backrow options. Perhaps Morgan would have rather used that cash for a top class hooker, or tackle-busting prop.

Mason has an off load game, Morgan delights in coaching this out of people.

Quoted as saying "It's a big ask, but I'm sure I can improve this defect in Willie's game."

Reference; Liam Watts.

Quote ="pmh"Mason has an off load game, Morgan delights in coaching this out of people. Quoted as saying "It's a big ask, but I'm sure I can improve this defect in Willie's game." Reference; Liam Watts.'" Watts was in the top three Super League Young Players of the Year last season with Sam Tomkins and Jonny Lomax. I apologise for jinxing him, nowt to do with Morgan: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=468285

Quote ="pmh"Mason has an off load game, Morgan delights in coaching this out of people. Quoted as saying "It's a big ask, but I'm sure I can improve this defect in Willie's game." Reference; Liam Watts.'" Watts was in the top three Super League Young Players of the Year last season with Sam Tomkins and Jonny Lomax. I apologise for jinxing him, nowt to do with Morgan: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=468285