Is the third one along Rich Agar thinking of a gameplan ?.

Could you point me in the direction of where Hull Kingston Rovers have made any petitions to Hull City Council for stadium funding within the last month. I was under the impression that it was a recently formed independant fans group that had organised this.



The relevance of a team engaging in a different sport several years ago is relevant how?

Awaits incredably convoluted arguement constructed with jealousy inducing statistics...

Pathetic question.

Where on Holderness road would this stadium be? And if not there where exactly did all these gimps signing the petition want the KC to be built to be more central and close to transport links in order to please the Red and Whites?
Kingswood? Miles from Stations, Motorways and most of the estates in Hull.
Sutton Fields? See above.
Hedon Road? Miles away from the Station and too far away from most of the estates in Hull.

Why cant these dumb feckers see that unless you want to put it in the River Hull the stadium is as central as it could be, as well as being a 5 minute walk from the train and bus station and with excellent access to the A63.

Do you really think the Council had it in for all 500 Rovers fans when they built the stadium?

The RFL have made facilities an important criterion in licensing, so clubs who have not yet secured public investment or cannot provide funding of their own (RL is not a wealthy sport after all), need to look at ways of doing so. It is the same for Wakefield, Salford, Cas and, before it went down the pan, Bradford. Rovers response has been rational, and while the aim of new stadium seems unrealistic, using the precedent of the KC is an obvious piece of advocacy to push the case for some sort of support.
I don't know about anything about the Stingrays, so I'm not sure how pertinent that is. If the local authority wants (ie it makes political sense) to have two K-u-Hull clubs [uin SL[/u long-term, they need to either support improvements at CP (which I think they will), or everybody has to accept Rovers at the KC - which seems deeply unpalatable to a majority of both Hull and Rovers fans. Are there any stadiums that host 3 senior clubs regularly? I can't think of any in the UK.

I wouldn't have any problem with the council upgrading CP providing it represents value to the taxpayer. The KC was built from one off funds and wasn't built purely for Hull City and Hull FC but the wider community. If HCC are to fund any stadia improvements then imho the land and buildings must be wholly owned by HCC and the whole facility must be run by an independant management committee along the same lines as the SMC with the remit of getting VFM for the ratepayers of Hull.

On top of this the work must be carried out by local contractors and materials must be supplied by local companies in order to assist the local economy.

Hull Stingrays? How can you compare a team from a sport nobody in this country let alone Hull is interested in with a team in the City which has the potential to attract an average of 10k crowds. An investment in HKR would be a far more solid investment then any money thrown at the town’s ice hockey club.

As for increasing crowds I’ve no doubt it would be harder in the current financial climate but we can't afford to wait, moving to the KC did FC and the Tigers crowds no end of good and I’d expect it to boost rovers average attendance too.



Rovers like a lot of teams in Superleague are struggling to fulfil commitments, would it be that bad for the council to help Rovers with a boost from King Comms money, improving facilities for everyone who visits CP. Nobody is asking for a mini KC and 40 odd million.

I'm sure Rovers made that point the previous half a dozen times they've taken cash off the council.

Probably we started out on Holderness Road.

The fact is Holderness road was never going to happen. West park was the more logical choice. If they wanted to pick East Park and spend hundreds of millions on road links then I'm sure Hull would have been happy to move there. Afterall FC are a club from all of hull, More than half our season pass holders live east, don't you know.

I can see the political attractions in that from everybody's POV, but it could be dangerous. Firstly it'd have to be done on a nod and a wink, because it'd be illegally protectionist. If Hull-based firms don't represent best value to the taxpayer that could kick up a different type of stink, especially if any have links to councillors. And if Hull gets a reputation for this sort of thing, it could disadvantage its firms when they bid for contratcs in other cities.
I'm not saying don't do it, just to be careful, sensible and not use it openly/officially as a selling point.

I’ve no idea how many times HKR have had money from the council, but whether it be once, twice or a hundred times how much will it really equate too when compared with the 40 Million spent in West Park...

A local stadium for local people.

Still can't do pictures.

That would break pretty well every procuremnt rule in the book.

So, Hull have sole use of the stadium, all the offices, all the surrounding sports pitches and every other facility at the stadium, for free? If thats not the case then its a bit of blairesque spin to say Hull have had 40 million spent on them.

Local councils can and do require that contractors meet certain conditions. There is nothing wrong with Hull City council requiring that some or all of the work be carried out by local contractors. The value requirement would still exist but it would be which company, after deciding all those which meet other criteria (location, size, competence, timescales etc.) will charge the lowest price.

There is certainly no need for a "nod and a wink" basis for selecting the most suitable contractor.

No, but there is if you have predetermined that you are using local contractors, irrespective of whether they are most suitable. You can define suitability in such a way as to make your desired outcome more likely, but this requires at least a little subtlety. What you can't do is come out and openly guarantee the work to local firms - as I understand it, anyway.

That £40m was spent on a facility that would benefit the city as a whole. Its location is irrelevant.

Do you ever get the impression you are opening your mouth (or in this case wiggling your fingers) but there is just a load of blank faced, open mouthed, simpletons totally missing the whole point about the KC and why it had to be placed where it is for the good of the Whole City as well as visitors from other City's?



I despair when I think there are actually 10,000 people in this City who signed that thing and believe the rubbish it stands for!! No wonder Hull is bottom of so many league tables, including the begging bowl league table now as we just created 10,000 more people wanting handouts. That must eclipse even the London begging squad!!

Can you say that again, I drooled into my keyboard and it blew up.

Look, Hull FC, Hull City, the West Hull community….. whatever, have facilities that at the time cost 40+ million to build and the funds came from lots of clean cut profit the council made from the King Comms share boom.

Why can’t HKR and its surrounding East Hull community have what would essentially be a tiny amount in comparison of that profit thrown at them to build a new North Stand with facilities similar to the KC only on a much smaller scale?

I'm sure they could come to some kind of arrangement where by the council sees a return on its investment.



Its not irrelevant to people who don’t live in its location.

Don't say that........I signed it!!!!









Mind you it was a loaded question

Effectively it said [iDo you want to continue watching Rugby in this dump or would you prefer better facilities[/i??

Bit of a no brainer

So you don't live in Hull then??

I live in East Hull as do 1000s of other FC supporters...there are very good road links to the KC

Yes, and i can get to the KC no problem.

But surly it would be a good thing for Craven Parks local community to have similar local facilities, local not being a 30min bus journey then a 15-20min walk.

I want better facilities at Craven Park, i want a new North stand and i want the stadium to be improved, if it brings new facilities with it then even better. As far as i'm aware the petition that was put together by the Rovers fan group is asking for some cash from the profit made in the KC shares sales to help HKR achieve it.

FC fans don't want it and see it as a waste of money, Rovers fans do want it and see it as a good investment, big surprise.

Pathetic response, but I didn't expect anything better from you.

You missed my point by a country mile, but never mind eh? you have an axe to grind and anywhere will do.

Rovers were struggling to pull in 1500 spectators when the KC opened its doors, a move across the city would have taken even more off that figure.

My stance on public funding for Craven Park is a matter of public record, I think its inappropriate in the current economic climate, and would be political suicide for any local council to sanction it. However, your good self and many others who keep rolling out the "you had a chance to share" bullcrap really have a poor grasp of the situation Rovers were in back in 2003. Considering the way you decry the 6,000 "bandwagoners" I would have thought your grasp of recent East Hull history would have been better. I was clearly deluded (as you are obviously).

And Rovers started of in West Hull, though I'd doubt anyone is alive to remember it (perhaps 1 or 2 of your current squad may recall them days?).

Why on earth would I know, or indeed care, where your clubs passholders live?