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| Having read my way through the posts I will give my opinion. I will support Ben on the field when he plays for Rovers. That is my only interest in him or any other player. I would like them all to be fine upstanding members of society but we all know that the world is full of idiots & unsavory people.We should just be happy that the vast majority are well behaved members of our community. As for the sentance that is a matter for the courts not us, like it or not thats how the law works your opinion or mine does not come into it. As for the RFL adding any more punishment! well that is bordering on double jeppordy (punished twice for the same ofence).Ben has been a total plonker & will have to put up with all the stick that comes with it, I will be interesred to see how he goes but as I said I will support him as a player on the pitch in red & white.
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| I've just been examining the sentences for Raynor and Cockayne with my lawyer and despite the racial nature of Raynor's offence, my lawyer says that it's the fact of the repeated kicking of the victim that has given Cockayne a greater sentence (although Raynor had to pay more compo to the victim).
Again my lawyer says both are very lucky they didn't get custody, but as I've mentioned in a PM to one person, if his case had been heard before a certain judge in my home town, we'd have been discussing this two days ago. Judges normally don't give a monkey's whether prisons are full. If the crime deserves the sentence, off you go and do not collect £200!
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| Quote ="redtillimdead"No my view regardless of who he played for would not change.
I was asked if i would accept help from G.Raynor as part of his community payback after one of hes mis-demeanors and took him on board, the club name is not important, ai am merely suggesting that people all over our country are getting more lenient sentences so just because Ben has it shouldnt be misconstrewed as something out of the ordinary.
As for the jury case bit, why say anything else? I dont believe the poster did jury service in a case almost exactly the same as Bens so why say any different?'"
which is somewhat different to believing that somone is saying he should get custodial just because he is a rovers player (fwiw I thought Raynor should have as well, and Cooke before him)
I could also say I don't belive your 1st line based on as much evidence as you have for not beliving Suzie's jury service, but I wont.
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| Quote ="Beverley red"Having read my way through the posts I will give my opinion. I will support Ben on the field when he plays for Rovers. That is my only interest in him or any other player. I would like them all to be fine upstanding members of society but we all know that the world is full of idiots & unsavory people.We should just be happy that the vast majority are well behaved members of our community. As for the sentance that is a matter for the courts not us, like it or not thats how the law works your opinion or mine does not come into it. As for the RFL adding any more punishment! well that is bordering on double jeppordy (punished twice for the same ofence).Ben has been a total plonker & will have to put up with all the stick that comes with it, I will be interesred to see how he goes but as I said I will support him as a player on the pitch in red & white.'"
I agree 100% with that, you got it spot on there
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| Quote ="cab man"It would seem Bens chance for an England cap is back on. If he keeps playing the way he is, and win us the cup as i expect he will play a major part. For me Bens enthusiasm drove us to were we are now. Now he has been let off lightly he should grasp the opportunity and realise the potential he has got.
Cmon Ben.'"
His enthusiasm also saw him drive his foot...... sorry, but get rid. If someone else picks him up, so what.
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| I know a hard working individual..never been in troublehe was at a party it kicked off and he was involved in a fight, he kicked the Guy on the floor once..it went to court he had good refrences etc..he got 4 months, the judge said it was for the kick...Judge Pickles Hull he lost he job everything.why is the law different for sport
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Not out to please FC fans. He acted like an animal, what was worse he went back in for more when the guy was cowering. Dont care how good he is, he's no role model for mine or anybody else with sense. Do I care if he came back with another club and played a blinder? no. Just glad our club had looked at the bigger picture.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Not out to please FC fans. He acted like an animal, what was worse he went back in for more when the guy was cowering. Dont care how good he is, he's no role model for mine or anybody else with sense. Do I care if he came back with another club and played a blinder? no. Just glad our club had looked at the bigger picture.'"
I understand that..I think our love of our sport and the colours fans wear often clouds common sense..thugs end of..and yes for the record I believe Raynor should have been sacked. Lets get tough like the nrl did with Carney and de-register that may help clean up the sport
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Just to spin it about, say for sake of argument, all hyperthetical like, would you view be the same if Cockayne was a FC player? Or is it just becuase he is a Rovers player you've decided people are lying about their jury service and developed the ability to determine posters motives based on 4 lines of text.'"
And if he was a Hull FC player, would you and your cronies be so vociferous on the subject? If your presence here is a Hull v Rovers thing (which it obviously is), go sell your crazy some place else.
Ben did wrong. Not for you or I to stand in judgement. Let those in more elevated places than we do that. End of story.
High time this one was locked.
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| Quote ="therobins"And if he was a Hull FC player, would you and your cronies be so vociferous on the subject? If your presence here is a Hull v Rovers thing (which it obviously is), go sell your crazy some place else.
Ben did wrong. Not for you or I to stand in judgement. Let those in more elevated places than we do that. End of story.
High time this one was locked.'"
Read my comments on Raynor and then think about how daft you've just made yourself look.
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| Quote ="redtillimdead"I dis agree 100% thats a load of tosh,wether i support Bens sentence or not is irrelevant, but i fail to see how you can say its a must custodial case?
There are cases in the news week in week out of people getting off with this that and other things ranging from driving offences to murder, I dont believe for a second you were on jury duty and for anyone to suggest the man deserves prison seems based only on the fact that he is a Rovers player.
As has been stated Gareth Raynor who has been a bad boy on more than one or two occassions has gone on to successfuly represent hes country and thrive as a league player(well to a certain standard anyway),I remember having him join in our coaching sessions around four years ago with the kids as part of his community payback.
What i am saying is two wrongs dont make a right but if someone can learn what they have done and truly repent and seek to encourage others to behave better than they have, then even in the harshest of periods some good can come out of something very bad.'"
I have got no reason whatsoever to lie about been on jury service and like I said the case was very very similar and the two young men got custodial sentances. Whether you believe me or not who cares, I was merely pointing out how lucky he has been and how the justice system stinks.
This as nothing to do with the fact he's a rovers player what he did that night is now in the public domian and this is what I base my assumptions on. Did you miss the point in my post that mentioned I couldn't care less what player it was and the fact that I mentioned Gareth Raynor?
I hope like you have stated in your last paragraph that some good does come out it and I believe he will realise more than anybody just how lucky he as been.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Read my comments on Raynor and then think about how daft you've just made yourself look.'"
how much time do you spend on here, FFS get a life.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I understand that..I think our love of our sport and the colours fans wear often clouds common sense..thugs end of..and yes for the record I believe Raynor should have been sacked. Lets get tough like the nrl did with Carney and de-register that may help clean up the sport'"
Unfortunatly the RFL dont have the balls.
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| Quote ="mildred's toyboy" Had this guy died from this beating Cockayne et al would be facing a murder charge.
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| Quote ="therobins"And if he was a Hull FC player, would you and your cronies be so vociferous on the subject? If your presence here is a Hull v Rovers thing (which it obviously is), go sell your crazy some place else.
Ben did wrong. Not for you or I to stand in judgement. Let those in more elevated places than we do that. End of story.
High time this one was locked.'" Get real, anyone with an ounce of decency, regardless of what team he played for, knows he got off lightly, he beat a man senseless, kicked him when he was down (numerous times) then the big hard man, went back for 2nds while the kids still on the deck?? if that happened to your brother/son would you be as forgiving?? no would you hell, you would want him banged up, and if this was a Hull FC player, i would want him dealt with, shipped out( and i suspect you would be shouting for that, if it was an FC player, and rightly so), why would i want to go support/cheer on a thug (a thug who gave the lame excuse, of flashback to Iraq, what a d1k, he didnt even have the balls to say yep, i did it, im very sorry, he blamed Iraq!!!!WTF) so personally i dont see how you can say end of story?? KR should come out and say what action there taking etc! Ben Cockayne=COWARD of the 1st order
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Read my comments on Raynor and then think about how daft you've just made yourself look.'"
As I said, please just go away.
We support Hull KR
You support Hull RLFC (or possibly just like an argument whilst hidden in the comfort of cyberspace?)
Your views, arguments and protestations all add up to one thing - sheer pointless drivel.
Please, leave it now - you're probably getting in the way of meaningful chat between ROVERS' supporters.
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| Quote ="therobins"As I said, please just go away.
We support Hull KR
You support Hull RLFC (or possibly just like an argument whilst hidden in the comfort of cyberspace?)
Your views, arguments and protestations all add up to one thing - sheer pointless drivel.
Please, leave it now - you're probably getting in the way of meaningful chat between ROVERS' supporters.'"
I like you, you're funny.
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| Quote ="westjba"Get real, anyone with an ounce of decency, regardless of what team he played for, knows he got off lightly, he beat a man senseless, kicked him when he was down (numerous times) then the big hard man, went back for 2nds while the kids still on the deck?? if that happened to your brother/son would you be as forgiving?? no would you hell, you would want him banged up, and if this was a Hull FC player, i would want him dealt with, shipped out( and i suspect you would be shouting for that, if it was an FC player, and rightly so), why would i want to go support/cheer on a thug (a thug who gave the lame excuse, of flashback to Iraq, what a d1k, he didnt even have the balls to say yep, i did it, im very sorry, he blamed Iraq!!!!WTF) so personally i dont see how you can say end of story?? KR should come out and say what action there taking etc! Ben Cockayne=COWARD of the 1st order'"
Who suggested this?
Calm down and please go away. This is a Hull KR forum. Thanks.
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| Quote ="Karen xx"What I can't understand is why the judge remanded him in custody...seems pointless if he's not going to sentence him to Prison.
As has been said, I hope he realises what a lucky escape he's had and moves on from it.'"
I too think it was to give him a taster of things possibly to come, to put the willy's up him so to speak.....pardon the pun!
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| Quote ="therobins"Who suggested this?
Calm down and please go away. This is a Hull KR forum. Thanks.'" you really are a silly person
(forum, look the word up,)
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| did hull get rid of raynor? did leeds get rid of bailey or saints getting rid of price? why should rovers get rid. hes recived his punishment and im damn sure he wont do it again i'd say he sould get the cooke treatment.
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| Quote ="westjba"you really are a silly person
(forum, look the word up,)'"
Having marvelled at the quality of your posts, I'm sure (as you're intimating) that I'm communicating (?) with a superior being. (Hope that helps to massage your ego!)
Now, please take your drivel and go away. Thanks.
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| having read all these posts in here i agree with with some but disagree with alot more. i think the RFL and rovers should get tough with banning and fines, make an example of him because he has done wrong, forget raynor, cookie and whats gone on before, lets set a good example here and get the bad boys in line before they take the p@ss, lets take a leaf out of the NRLs book, bad boys there get punished big time... I know your all going to say hull fc fan being biased well im not, im a normal bloke whos witnessed and had to see the aftermath of my brothers head been stamped on and its not fair and its not nice... Lets just hope the RFL make a stand, grow some ba@ls and get tough for the future before all the other bad boys fall out of line...
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| Quote ="legohead"having read all these posts in here i agree with with some but disagree with alot more. i think the RFL and rovers should get tough with banning and fines, make an example of him because he has done wrong, forget raynor, cookie and whats gone on before, lets set a good example here and get the bad boys in line before they take the p@ss, lets take a leaf out of the NRLs book, bad boys there get punished big time... I know your all going to say hull fc fan being biased well im not, im a normal bloke whos witnessed and had to see the aftermath of my brothers head been stamped on and its not fair and its not nice... Lets just hope the RFL make a stand, grow some ba@ls and get tough for the future before all the other bad boys fall out of line...'"
not defending what he did, but i doubt very much you would be of the same opinion if it been a hull player! jog on lego sweede.
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