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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So Hull didnt want to keep Cooke
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Of course they did. But its a pointless statement as the move was illegal. I think slavery is still illegal in the UK?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"
One thing i will say, if we dont re-sign Hall it is because we didnt want to, '"
Why would you want to get rid of a player who:
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The club and player may not be able to agree a contract, but that is different to not wanting to sign him. If Hull FC don't even make him an offer, someone there has gone wrong in the head.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"You said this last season and made yourself look foolish then too!'"
No, I said "FACT" where as this time I've said "should it happen"...
Quote ="Big Dave T"One thing i will say, if we dont re-sign Hall it is because we didnt want to, in which case i wish him luck if he moves on.'"
I think you need to get your head out of the sand mate.
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| Quote ="General Zod."No, I said "FACT" where as this time I've said "should it happen"...
I think you need to get your head out of the sand mate.'"
Maybe Hull are in the market for a Matt Cooper quality type centre?
Maybe Hull FC think Tom Briscoe is the better prospect going forward?
It is a FACT that sides need to be ruthless in recruitment and sometimes fans favourites are released.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"You said this last season and made yourself look foolish then too!
One thing i will say, if we dont re-sign Hall it is because we didnt want to, in which case i wish him luck if he moves on.'"
On what grounds do you think Hull would decide that Hall was surplas to requirements Dave?
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| Quote ="BalearicHullFan"Of course they did. But its a pointless statement as the move was illegal. I think slavery is still illegal in the UK?
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The RFL deemed Cooke's move to be against their rules. The legality of the move in terms of UK law has not been judged - I think you might be on dangerous ground implying otherwise.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"On what grounds do you think Hull would decide that Hall was surplas to requirements Dave?'"
What knocker has said above mate, we were told by a source close to the club that we may be getting ready to make some tough decisions regarding certain players in order to bring in better quality players that are ready now not in 5 years time.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"On what grounds do you think Hull would decide that Hall was surplas to requirements Dave?'"
if he turned down hulls vaulation of him, which is fair enough.
tbh if we are looking at a genuine quality and hall leaves it will be no great loss for the next season as we'll have a new and yeaman with briscoe as back up.
it may bite us in the the couple of seasons after that when hall, as i expect him to do, becomes international class.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Like keeping hold of Paul Cooke type we didnt want to'"
Totally different. We did want to keep Cooke, our team was structured around him, he walked out on a contract and the RFL have punished him for that. No need to bring him up in this conversation at all which is about Hally been OOC at the end of the year. (get over Cooke!)
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| put it this way,
if Justin Morgan really did turn down Shaun Berrigan, he made a massive mistake,
Berrigan would walk in to the Hull KR side in whatever position he chose,
in fact he would probably walk in to any side in SL,
IMO he was one of only three real world class signings this season and is much much much better than either Webster of Fisher
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| Quote ="General Zod."
I think you need to get your head out of the sand mate.'"
If a better player is available that has an accurate valuation of themselves that matches that of the club why wouldnt we let him go? It would be our choice the same as the Briscoe deal.
Why why why do Rovers fans always have to think something like this is getting one over on Hull? Why dont you just accept that if we valued a player and wanted to keep them enough to match their valuation they would stay. (Briscoe and Chester for example)
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Why would you want to get rid of a player who:
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Who can kick goals[/i
The club and player may not be able to agree a contract, but that is different to not wanting to sign him. If Hull FC don't even make him an offer, someone there has gone wrong in the head.'"
As ive said, becuase there may be better out there for the money he is wanting. Hull may make the decision to let him go as he values himself differently to what we do, in which case good luck to the kid.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"if he turned down hulls vaulation of him, which is fair enough.
tbh if we are looking at a genuine quality and hall leaves it will be no great loss for the next season as we'll have a new and yeaman with briscoe as back up.
it may bite us in the booty the couple of seasons after that when hall, as i expect him to do, becomes international class.'"
Not really. I think he has the potential and may become an international in say 5 years. If we have won a numerous trophies in the meantime then the decision is justified i guess?
Leeds can highlight a number of their 'rejects' that went on to play international but I dont reckon they look back in regret do you?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"What knocker has said above mate, we were told by a source close to the club that we may be getting ready to make some tough decisions regarding certain players in order to bring in better quality players that are ready now not in 5 years time.'"
So after years of nurturing your own talent (and critisizing others for failing to do so), you are going for the short-term quick fix.
Franchises, stabilty, PAH!
You lot have got it all back to front.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Totally different. We did want to keep Cooke, our team was structured around him, he walked out on a contract and the RFL have punished him for that. No need to bring him up in this conversation at all which is about Hally been OOC at the end of the year. (get over Cooke!)'"
The point being made was Hull wont really have control over whether Hall leaves or not.
They can make him an offer but ultimately it will be down to the player if he stays or not.
Get over yourself.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The point being made was Hull wont really have control over whether Hall leaves or not.
They can make him an offer but ultimately it will be down to the player if he stays or not.
Get over yourself.'"
Or. Hull will know exactly what figure to offer to ensure Hall stays. It is currently under their control to offer him what he wants.
Hull may choose not to.
Tom Briscoe got what he wanted a couple of months ago...
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Hull may make the decision to let him go as he values himself differently to what we do, in which case good luck to the kid.'"
That is different to not wanting to re-sign him - that is being unwilling to make a sufficiently attractive offer to persuade him to stay.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Not really. I think he has the potential and may become an international in say 5 years. If we have won a numerous trophies in the meantime then the decision is justified i guess?
Leeds can highlight a number of their 'rejects' that went on to play international but I dont reckon they look back in regret do you?'"
i like the fact we have players coming through our academy and i want the best of them to stay at the club, leeds never let anyone go who had halls ability at this stage.
fwiw i'd expect hall to sign a 3 year deal with hull.
i also think this come be good for hkr with whelam getting more chances to impress and develop.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"That is different to not wanting to re-sign him - that is being unwilling to make a sufficiently attractive offer to persuade him to stay.'"
Its the same thing entirely. We choose not to offer what he wants therefore we dont want to re-sign him as its not the right deal for Hull. (if any of this happens anyway)
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| Quote ="knocker norton"
Tom Briscoe got what he wanted a couple of months ago...
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A Power Ranger doll?
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The point being made was Hull wont really have control over whether Hall leaves or not.
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We have total control. If we match his self-valuation he stays, if we choose not to he goes. Its our choice and thats what i was saying originally.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"We have total control. If we match his self-valuation he stays, if we choose not to he goes. Its our choice and thats what i was saying originally.'"
Assuming he wants to stay of course
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| Quote ="Fill Bee"Assuming he wants to stay of course'"
If we match his valuation of himself he wants to stay.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"If we match his valuation of himself he wants to stay.
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Yes that may well be the case but not always
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"If we match his valuation of himself he wants to stay.
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Told you that has he?
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