Made a bang average side look good. Won a dinner plate for winning a mickey mouse league. Really do hope Tim knows what he,s doing, cos it did,nt look like it today...

Sheens says the right things and I believe his training and tactics are as good as any coach. The problem lies when the players go on the field and then do exact opposite of what has been practiced all week. The refusal of penalty kick looks bad judgement after the event but a canny half would have been putting the ball out,slowing the momentum the other team had built.lots of mistakes and dropped ball,pressure we put on ourselves and no one on the pitch had ability to change things.Lunt apart we don't have a lot of brains on the pitch

Half back is your issue. I told you pre season that ellis is rubbish.

The kicking really was poor.Addy / Ellis or Abdull/ Ellis still don't inspire my confidence against superleague opposition

We don't have a decent one unless this kid from Swinton is capable of stepping up a level.

It will bite us next month.

This league leaders shield papers over the cracks thats all, i think we'll struggle against the super league teams, were that used to playing well for 20 minutes and that being enough but its not going to be enough against S/L.
Intensity, Aggression, game managent all lacking and thats been a problem for a few seasons now. I still find it hard to believe Sheens is still tinkering at this stage of the season, we should have been going into the 8's looking for consistency and form IMO.

As is to be expected with 2-3 bigger name players announced this week and much of the squad out of contract some players will be unhappy - let's face it Masoe's fee per game will be more than most of the squad get in a three months but you get what you pay for. Sheens simply needs to manage the fact that average players that have done a job at this level so far have to be sidelined for the final games. Difficult but we need to ruthless. Eggs and omelettes. A side with Carney, Masoe, Lunt, Quinlan and co plus further additions will be too much for both Leigh and Widnes.

So Masoe is done deal? Bold predictions Mr Zooks, hope you are right

Zook emu were have U suppose to of heard that we are announcing 3 big names it isn't happening we have to make do with mose mason being last signing and having horne, greenwood, minns, ,lawler back I'm afraid but will have too click in 8s

Take the Leg is right unfortunately, we have got away with it this season because it is a poor quality league. Did,nt think at the start of the season i would be saying we missed Abdull...today we did, big time. No game management, we gave them 18pts. What the fku was Butler Fleming thinking, trying to offload in a gang tackle on his own line, cost us a win at fev with his loose carry out of defence. Atkins is the first specialist half we have had this season. I would try him alongside Quinlan and have Moss at fullback, Abdull at loose...imo. Oh to have Albert back...Oh hang on a minute, maybe not.

I'm as guilty of it as any but maybe we are over reacting to a home loss?They had to win and I'm not convinced our lads gave today's game the respect it was due,or maybe they did? Heffernan Minns Carney Greenwood all due back improves us .Abdull is an upgrade on Addy but I'd still like a proper organising half .deadline soon so will be interesting to see if these rumours of 2 or 3 upgrades are true.Would have thought they should be here by now though?

3 big names this week? Impressive. i presume 2 must be British?

Abdul will get mullered at 13 against SL opposition

I felt that way about him in half's but not 13. I don't think you even believe what you wrote there? It's the bottom 4 of superleague and he has already proved he can operate at that level in seasons past

I mean he isn't physically up to playing as a middle against SL opposition. He'll get spotted in defence constantly. We're playing sika manu as 13 and he gets battered

When I've watched Manu iv not seen him battered ever.one tough hombre as Stevo would say.Oloughlin plays 13 whilst never at 100 percent.Think nowadays the fashion is to play an extra prop at 13.you had a ball playing 13 in Westy and he wasn't in long term plan that is probably why Abdull shipped out cos Radford certainly didn't see him as a superleague halfback

sheens must give atkins a go agaimst Halifax he may be the answer for an astute kicking game ,and creativity, minns, Heffernan, greenwood, carney, clark plus a couple of quality additions, you have suddenly got a different outlook on things.. hopefully,, want Halifax through but think we will win on sunday

Westerman is a big bloke though and does a big shift in defence. abdul just isn't physically up to it so you'd be putting extra pressure on the other forwards

Then your defensive patterns (and I don't mean Hull's I mean whichever team) need to reflect what players you're playing in what positions.

It could warrant a whole new thread on the players that Rover's have on their books (and I might start it but I'm a bit busy) about who should be playing where, but there is real fact that we have a massive amount of players but do we have real quality?

And that's down to Sheens.

Journalist John Davidson says we have 3 or 4 still to sign for the Middle 8s and plenty of cap spare. People should take time to digest these signings and consider the fact we have won this competition at a canter with a far weaker squad than will be fielded when it matters.

Not sure I agree. Can't be d to research players heights and weights but I'd say not much difference between the 2? Abdull certainly has shaped up since his arrival.Quite ironic I'm defending a hull player against a hull fan .I don't want him as a half but at present he is our best option.This situation may change if you believe the rumours. To put it in perspective I like Donaldson for us and until his injury he was probably our best forward but he is probably a squad player in superleague at loose man.Abdull offers more at 13

sure its not jim Davidson we could do with a big break

No Jim Davidson jokes or Salford Kiyan will be on throwing a tantrum again

On a Jim Davidson theme I heard snooker loopy song on the radio the other day and disturbingly remembered all the words to it

westerman 6ft 4 and 107kg and abdul 5ft 11 and 101 kg according to club websites but it's not just wieght, it's having your body physically conditioned to playing in the middle of the field over a number of years. Having seen both play plenty I stick to my original views that abdul is 2 or 3 years away from being ready to play at loose man in SL. Defensively he just isn't ready yet and will be a real weak link if sheens does play him there. warrington in particular would have a field day against a weak middle defence