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| Will he get hauled up before the RFL for this?
[urlhttp://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/KR-coach-labels-Alibert-display-embarrassing/story-18709509-detail/story.html#axzz2QVoISozm[/url
Some great quotes in there. I partiicularly enjoyed the irony of this one:
"I don't want this to be a whinge-fest about the referee and touch judge whose performances were farcical."
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Check out the date of the article.
It's like groundhog day
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... marks.html
6:21PM BST 15 Apr 2009Comment
Morgan was angered by Thaler's "substandard" performance in Rovers' Super League defeat by Huddersfield on Monday and said he did not want the official to referee his side's games again.
Morgan claimed Huddersfield were allowed to get away with "blue murder" and said Thaler needed to return to a lower grade and "spend some time learning the rules".
"It is absolutely disgraceful every time we get him," the Australian said.
Morgan will now face a hearing on April 22 after being charged with breaching the RFL's operational rules.
The RFL have the power to impose a wide range of sanctions, although a fine is most likely, if Morgan is found guilty.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... -4000.html
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Check out the date of the article.
It's like groundhog day
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... marks.html
6:21PM BST 15 Apr 2009Comment
Morgan was angered by Thaler's "substandard" performance in Rovers' Super League defeat by Huddersfield on Monday and said he did not want the official to referee his side's games again.
Morgan claimed Huddersfield were allowed to get away with "blue murder" and said Thaler needed to return to a lower grade and "spend some time learning the rules".
"It is absolutely disgraceful every time we get him," the Australian said.
Morgan will now face a hearing on April 22 after being charged with breaching the RFL's operational rules.
The RFL have the power to impose a wide range of sanctions, although a fine is most likely, if Morgan is found guilty.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... -4000.html
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| The embarrassing thing about this is not the display of the officials, Mr Sandycock.
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| I had just got back on the M62 when he came on t'wireless. I cringed with embarrassment. Even John Kear called it right last night on Sky Sports. The coach should focus on what he can control and let the fans whine about match officials.
Perhaps if Sandercock learned how to coach a team to defend better then he wouldn't need to bleat on about refs. I hope he gets fined if it teaches him to keep his gob shut after another defeat. He's setting an excuse culture that will spread throughout the team.
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| Quote ="SirStan"He's setting an excuse culture that will spread throughout the team.'"
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| Quote ="SirStan"I had just got back on the M62 when he came on t'wireless. I cringed with embarrassment. Even John Kear called it right last night on Sky Sports. The coach should focus on what he can control and let the fans whine about match officials.
Perhaps if Sandercock learned how to coach a team to defend better then he wouldn't need to bleat on about refs. I hope he gets fined if it teaches him to keep his gob shut after another defeat. He's setting an excuse culture that will spread throughout the team.'"
Pretty much how I see it TBH.
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| Quote ="SirStan"I had just got back on the M62 when he came on t'wireless. I cringed with embarrassment. Even John Kear called it right last night on Sky Sports. The coach should focus on what he can control and let the fans whine about match officials.
Perhaps if Sandercock learned how to coach a team to defend better then he wouldn't need to bleat on about refs. I hope he gets fined if it teaches him to keep his gob shut after another defeat. He's setting an excuse culture that will spread throughout the team.'"
Not sure i agree. Not an excuse, he didnt use it as an excuse, he noted that the rfl should be embarrassed by the performances of their officials. Didnt anywhere say thats the reason we lost? When questioned about the points, quite rightly pointed out they were 8pts up, then they get a penalty with us having ball in hand, not a single person hudds player knew or suggested there was an infringement but terry did.
The embarrasment was the knowledge of the rules, the new advantage rule is advantage until tackled or error, upon which it goes back to the feed, there is no time limit on it, so why after a hudds knock on, with no tackled rovers player, do hudds get the scrum?
At the end of the day, he spends all week training his patched up team, to go out there and attempt to perform at the home of one of the best sides in the comp, for shoddy refereeing to cost us field position and through our own poor defence and their good attacking as a combo points. Which costs you any chance at the game. Hudds were without doubt the better side, they always looked likely to score more points, its just the timing and lack of consistancy. Allowing Brough and Robinson to ref the game is always fun. Same as Tomkins etc.
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| Quote ="TheGame2012"Not sure i agree. Not an excuse, he didnt use it as an excuse, he noted that the rfl should be embarrassed by the performances of their officials. Didnt anywhere say thats the reason we lost? When questioned about the points, quite rightly pointed out they were 8pts up, then they get a penalty with us having ball in hand, not a single person hudds player knew or suggested there was an infringement but terry did.
The embarrasment was the knowledge of the rules, the new advantage rule is advantage until tackled or error, upon which it goes back to the feed, there is no time limit on it, so why after a hudds knock on, with no tackled rovers player, do hudds get the scrum?
At the end of the day, he spends all week training his patched up team, to go out there and attempt to perform at the home of one of the best sides in the comp, for shoddy refereeing to cost us field position and through our own poor defence and their good attacking as a combo points. Which costs you any chance at the game. Hudds were without doubt the better side, they always looked likely to score more points, its just the timing and lack of consistancy. Allowing Brough and Robinson to ref the game is always fun. Same as Tomkins etc.'"
You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that he did use his view that the ref was poor as an excuse. He talked about a 4 metre forward pass. I saw none at the game (behind this sticks) but watched the tries last night and he was talking out of his 'arris.
The advantage decision was laughable, but by bringing it up in his press conference, he once again attempts to deflect blame for the defeat onto someone else, thus ignoring the basic facts that we cannot tackle. We are currently averaging 31 points a game conceded, worse than last season's pathetic 27 ppg against. Even the Class of 2007 (with our 16 players from the National Leagues) kept the average lower than that.
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| Seeing it as a fan of the victorious side i cannot remember anything Alibert did or didn't do that could or did affect the outcome of the game, yes he missed plenty of offside for both teams and was pretty consistent in penalising both for the same offences, ie hand sin the tackle and obstruction. Not really sure what the guy is on about here as there was nothing remotely controversial during the game.
It seems to me like this is purely sour grapes from a defeated coach who would rather take the obvious route of blaming anyone but his coaching team or players.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Seeing it as a fan of the victorious side i cannot remember anything Alibert did or didn't do that could or did affect the outcome of the game, yes he missed plenty of offside for both teams and was pretty consistent in penalising both for the same offences, ie hand sin the tackle and obstruction. Not really sure what the guy is on about here as there was nothing remotely controversial during the game.
It seems to me like this is purely sour grapes from a defeated coach who would rather take the obvious route of blaming anyone but his coaching team or players.'"
I remember the last time a Rover coach got into trouble for criticising a ref, it was against Huddersfield as well, but this time Thaler. I recall that Giants had been offside at almost every play the ball for about 30 mins and he never pulled one, the first he did pull was against us !!
The penalty count that day was also lop sided. De Javu or what.
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| Quote ="TheGame2012"Not sure i agree. Not an excuse, he didnt use it as an excuse, he noted that the rfl should be embarrassed by the performances of their officials. Didnt anywhere say thats the reason we lost? When questioned about the points, quite rightly pointed out they were 8pts up, then they get a penalty with us having ball in hand, not a single person hudds player knew or suggested there was an infringement but terry did.
The embarrasment was the knowledge of the rules, the new advantage rule is advantage until tackled or error, upon which it goes back to the feed, there is no time limit on it, so why after a hudds knock on, with no tackled rovers player, do hudds get the scrum?
At the end of the day, he spends all week training his patched up team, to go out there and attempt to perform at the home of one of the best sides in the comp, for shoddy refereeing to cost us field position and through our own poor defence and their good attacking as a combo points. Which costs you any chance at the game. Hudds were without doubt the better side, they always looked likely to score more points, its just the timing and lack of consistancy. Allowing Brough and Robinson to ref the game is always fun. Same as Tomkins etc.'"
Are you another of zod's alter ego's?
I've watched the tries on SL full time and can't see this 4 metre forward pass he's talking about. The final pass from dobson for your try on the hooter looked pretty suspect though
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| the game needs 2 refs its to fast for 1, but the coach should admit when your beaten by a better team.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"the game needs 2 refs its to fast for 1, but the coach should admit when your beaten by a better team.'"
Like he did? Or a different way?
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| but why moan everytime hes beaten he didnt complain at man city about forward passes i think he just dosent like the french ref!!!
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| Quote The final pass from dobson for your try on the hooter looked pretty suspect though'"
Jake,
You are Stevie Wonder and I claim my £5.
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| Quote ="TheGame2012"Not sure i agree. Not an excuse, he didnt use it as an excuse, he noted that the rfl should be embarrassed by the performances of their officials. Didnt anywhere say thats the reason we lost? When questioned about the points, quite rightly pointed out they were 8pts up, then they get a penalty with us having ball in hand, not a single person hudds player knew or suggested there was an infringement but terry did.
=#FF0000The embarrasment was the knowledge of the rules, the new advantage rule is advantage until tackled or error, upon which it goes back to the feed, there is no time limit on it, so why after a hudds knock on, with no tackled rovers player, do hudds get the scrum?
At the end of the day, he spends all week training his patched up team, to go out there and attempt to perform at the home of one of the best sides in the comp, for shoddy refereeing to cost us field position and through our own poor defence and their good attacking as a combo points. Which costs you any chance at the game. Hudds were without doubt the better side, they always looked likely to score more points, its just the timing and lack of consistancy. Allowing Brough and Robinson to ref the game is always fun. Same as Tomkins etc.'"
At the game i thought that he had got that wrong but someone pointed out he signalled a one on one strip hence not a knock on so no advantage.
Hence i think the decision was right if anything the problem is that Aliberts signals are not always the best but i think the decision was right.
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| Quote ="meatpaste"Jake,
You are Stevie Wonder and I claim my £5.
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Maybe I was just watching in sandyvision
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| Quote ="TheGame2012"Not sure i agree. Not an excuse, he didnt use it as an excuse, he noted that the rfl should be embarrassed by the performances of their officials. Didnt anywhere say thats the reason we lost? When questioned about the points, quite rightly pointed out they were 8pts up, then they get a penalty with us having ball in hand, not a single person hudds player knew or suggested there was an infringement but terry did.
The embarrasment was the knowledge of the rules, the new advantage rule is advantage until tackled or error, upon which it goes back to the feed, there is no time limit on it, so why after a hudds knock on, with no tackled rovers player, do hudds get the scrum?
At the end of the day, he spends all week training his patched up team, to go out there and attempt to perform at the home of one of the best sides in the comp, for shoddy refereeing to cost us field position and through our own poor defence and their good attacking as a combo points. Which costs you any chance at the game. Hudds were without doubt the better side, they always looked likely to score more points, its just the timing and lack of consistancy. Allowing Brough and Robinson to ref the game is always fun. Same as Tomkins etc.'"
We were 8pts up and we were giving a correct penalty for crossing. Are you suggesting that because our players didnt stop what they were doing (defending) and indicate to the ref that an infringement had been made then there wasn't an infringement? A forward pass that never was and an advantage that never was since the ball was knocked out of robbos hands one on one. Alibert didn't have a perfect game- but there were no gamechangers to the tune of twenty points, or even 2. he missed a few high shots, a bit of holdingdown / offside, but not favouring any particular side. If sandercock is suggesting that the officials performance was so terrible can we have the ones you've had every week until now please.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Are you another of zod's alter ego's?
I've watched the tries on SL full time and can't see this 4 metre forward pass he's talking about. The final pass from dobson for your try on the hooter looked pretty suspect though'"
next you will be telling me the pass at magic weekend was forward aswell
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| Always a sign of a bad coach who constantly blames match officals for his clubs defeats, and fails to see the short comings of his own coaching methods.
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| Quote ="Huddersfield1895"Always a sign of a bad coach who constantly blames match officals for his clubs defeats, and fails to see the short comings of his own coaching methods.'"
Even successful coaches [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22166286criticise[/url them.
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| Quote ="GraftonRed"Even successful coaches [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22166286criticise[/url them.'"
Not every week which sandecock appears to do.
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Out of his depth as a super league coach even in that short period.
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Out of his depth as a super league coach even in that short period.
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| Quote ="Huddersfield1895"Not every week which sandecock appears to do.'"
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