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Throughout the wilderness years in the National Leagues we had a lot of good players come & go. Stan, Wilkin & Raleigh got their chance in Super League, but what of the others? With full-time training, better coaching & better players around them could any of them have developed into SL players? Some suggestions…
Garry Brown awesome attacking player
Richard Oliver blistering speed, just never fit
Alasdair McClarron deserved better players around him
John Okul looked better than Stan to start with, just never fit
Whetu Taewa deserved better players around him
Paul Mannson made the game look so easy
Gary Chatfield heaps of ability, just couldn’t harness it
Neil Wardrobe see above
Alex Thompson best prop we had in National Leagues
Jon Aston outstanding before his accident
Paul Fletcher obviously
Rob Wilson great pairing with Fletch
Adrian Rainey destructive runner, pity we couldn't have kept him longer
Andy Smith tackling machine
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Whetu had "made" it long before he came to Rovers, played for Auckland Warriors, New Zealand and Sheffield in SL (along with CC cup winners medal)..
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Seb Martins another guy who's made it.
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| Quote ="Wildmoose"Throughout the wilderness years in the National Leagues we had a lot of good players come & go. Stan, Wilkin & Raleigh got their chance in Super League, but what of the others? With full-time training, better coaching & better players around them could any of them have developed into SL players? Some suggestions…
Garry Brown awesome attacking player
Richard Oliver blistering speed, just never fit
Alasdair McClarron deserved better players around him
John Okul looked better than Stan to start with, just never fit
Whetu Taewa deserved better players around him
Paul Mannson made the game look so easy
Gary Chatfield heaps of ability, just couldn’t harness it
Neil Wardrobe see above
Alex Thompson best prop we had in National Leagues
Jon Aston outstanding before his accident
Paul Fletcher obviously
Rob Wilson great pairing with Fletch
Adrian Rainey destructive runner, pity we couldn't have kept him longer
Andy Smith tackling machine'"
Most of those players listed played top flight rugby either with Rovers or other clubs. Indeed as stated, Whetu was an international centre. I reckon they would be a bit upset to be told they hadnt "made it"! |
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Ali Mac I dont think would have made it in the top flight to be honest, his speed was awsome to watch but remembering the players he was playing against hardly surprising that he took so many long range tries. Put him in the SL as he was then I think he would be found out of position a fair amount.
Oh and Jon Aston didnt have an accident it was a tad bit more aggressive than that!!! But yes he never did come back as the same player but I'm sure he was just glad to be back!
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Andy Thompson
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| Quote ="RoversTrace"Andy Thompson'"
Agree with you there Trace, great player. one of my favourites in his day. |
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a player who i thought was very good in his short time with us was former parramatta player aidrian "rainman" rayney he played 2nd row he looked very good left us to join cas on loan for the SL play offs dont think he settled over here
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Was ordinary beyond belief, would never have got anywhere near a SL side. |
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Was ordinary beyond belief, would never have got anywhere near a SL side.'"
I agree! Workhorse and never took a backward step, but not a quality player. |
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| Richard Smith - quick with the ball and looked equally comfortable on the wing or at FB.  |
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[iPaul Mannson made the game look so easy Agreed! Shame he came to us late in his career.Always thought when he played against us "oh no, Mannsons playing"[/i
[iAlex Thompson best prop we had in National Leagues He was rubbish, Hayes was miles better.[/i
[iRob Wilson great pairing with Fletch. Willo was one of my fave players. One of those you'd hate to play against.[/i
[iAdrian Rainey destructive runner, pity we couldn't have kept him longer Didnt leave for something drugs related? I remember the HDM headline when we signed him "Cometh the Rain Man". [/i
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Byron Ford should have.
Bob Everitt maybe.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Richard Smith - quick with the ball and looked equally comfortable on the wing or at FB.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Most of those players listed played top flight rugby either with Rovers or other clubs. Indeed as stated, Whetu was an international centre. I reckon they would be a bit upset to be told they hadnt "made it"!'"
Wildmoose wrote:Throughout the wilderness years in the National Leagues we had a lot of good players come & go. Stan, Wilkin & Raleigh got their chance in Super League, but what of the others? With full-time training, better coaching & better players around them could any of them have developed into SL players? Some suggestions…
Garry Brown -did he play top flight rugby? I did nt think so
Richard Oliver -thought he only played for us in lower league
Alasdair McClarron - never played in top flight
John Okul -did in Oz, after injury the rest is history
Whetu Taewa -made it
Paul Mannson -most of career in lower leagues
Gary Chatfield-yes played for us in top flight, not for long
Neil Wardrobe
Alex Thompson - crap
Jon Aston -top flight with hull, us in the lower leagues
Paul Fletcher -legend
Rob Wilson -most of career in lower league
Adrian Rainey -cant remember him
Andy Smith never played top flight.
Going from my hazy memory. Maybe the Oracle RBA can prove me wrong?!!
It depends what 'made it' means. Rovers had a lot of players play for us for a short period of time, and just because it was a handful of games in the top division I would not say that was 'making it'. |
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"Robocop? He played Super League with Halifax iirc'"
Oh yeah, sorry, forgot he was with Fax. 
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IIRC Rainey already had a fair amount of experience in the NRL with Western Suburbs before signing for you. He was banned for steroid abuse (I think) after winning their young player of the year award, and came to England to try and jump-start his career when the ban was up.
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| how about mike Fletcher great goal kicker would he had made it   |
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| rainey got off to a bad start in his first home game he turned up in just t-shirt shorts and flip flops no boots or kit and not long after that his gf or wife smashed up the car rovers had got him  |
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Was ordinary beyond belief, would never have got anywhere near a SL side.'"
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Very hard to say which part time players could have, given full time training, made it in Super League. Depends as much on dedication as anything.
Perfect example of a player exceeding his talent was Keith Tindall, good at schoolboy level, but outshone by others in a very good team, where the "stars" of that team chose women and ale over dedication whereas Keith stuck to training in gruelling winter conditions and eventually reaped the benefits.
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Andy Smith would have made it in supre league but like a lot of others around at the time full time came to late as they were at an age when they would at best have had 2/3 years he has a good job & pays better than super league Taking into account he can go on untill he is in his 60's. A lot of the others mentioned would have been better players for full time training & not having to juggle jobs & playing.
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Remember Lee Sibery (sp) showing a lot of promise and potential around 1998/99, maybe could have made it as an SL full-back with the right support.
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I cant believe that Gary Chatfield is on the not made it list, I play at Telephones with him for years and we won the Poulson Rose Bowl !!
You lot set some high standards !
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| Just out of interest, anyone know why the following only had very brief careers (1 season or less IIRC) with us?
Keith Beauchamp
Jamie Kennedy
Daniel Brown
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Quote ="Roofs"Just out of interest, anyone know why the following only had very brief careers (1 season or less IIRC) with us?
Keith Beauchamp
Jamie Kennedy
Daniel Brown
Three Aussies who played for us around 1998 and all looked good players, but they only stayed for a very short time.
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Keith Beauchamp - Was a high profile signing. Think he ended up playing 3/4 games for us, scoring a hat trick on debut at home to Dewsbury iirc. He played for Illawarra and Hunter in NRL I think.
Jamie Kennedy - Was a rangey back rower from what I remember and a pretty good player. Dont remember what happened to him though.
Daniel Brown - Spent 2 or 3 seasons with us at either Hooker or Half back. Was a good player, went on to spend many years with Oldham and is brother of Nathan Brown.
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Keith Beauchamp
Jamie Kennedy
Daniel Brown
Three Aussies who played for us around 1998 and all looked good players, but they only stayed for a very short time.
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Keith Beauchamp - Was a high profile signing. Think he ended up playing 3/4 games for us, scoring a hat trick on debut at home to Dewsbury iirc. He played for Illawarra and Hunter in NRL I think.
Jamie Kennedy - Was a rangey back rower from what I remember and a pretty good player. Dont remember what happened to him though.
Daniel Brown - Spent 2 or 3 seasons with us at either Hooker or Half back. Was a good player, went on to spend many years with Oldham and is brother of Nathan Brown.
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