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| Just been reading build up to this week's fixtures and we really could do with winning one or both of next 2 matches. It's possible after Magic we sit bottom if Leeds lose their game v London. This Thursday's game will tell us plenty about how much if any fight left in Leeds? Watching Hudds yesterday they defended well and put a lot if effort into that loss and of course they whipped us last time although we only had the one prop.Our 19 tomorrow will be interesting and may have 4 props for the first time in months.Hudds have fair few out also so will probably come down to attitude on the day. Next 2 rounds then Cup look tasty all across the fixtures so who knows? Warrington play FC then Wigan at Magic before our quarter so a lot can happen this next few week.
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| Can only name an 18 man squad again this week.
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| We only had the one prop last game at Hudds.Having 4 in our 19 is a luxury Will still be tough game though I'd expect
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| Not wanting to knee jerk after that but the handling of Atkin just baffles me more and more. Was crying out for him to come on and get some threat at ptb 2nd half but he gets 10 minutes in halfs whilst down to 12 men.What chance has he got of influencing the game? We are a thick team out on that pitch with the same players making the same mistakes and we threw the game away again Very little positive to say about that. Can see a walloping at Anfield
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| you should have won that easily, we were poor and were all over the place and god knows how but we got back into it and were comfortable winners in the end
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| Fair appraisal. Just dumb rugby and no heart when it matters. Fair few playing not match fit but even moreso for Hudd. I'm told the club is going to break a fair few good/big news stories this week? Hopefully it's 2 new halves 2 new hookers and some forwards and backs who can tackle?
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| Quote ="SpainesRoadFartown"you should have won that easily, we were poor and were all over the place and god knows how but we got back into it and were comfortable winners in the end'" i fully agree with you pal, but we are just not good enough to beat a fairly depleted huddersfield who didnt play particularly well,
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Fair appraisal. Just dumb rugby and no heart when it matters. Fair few playing not match fit but even moreso for Hudd. I'm told the club is going to break a fair few good/big news stories this week? Hopefully it's 2 new halves 2 new hookers and some forwards and backs who can tackle?'" some positive news coming im hearing ,unless its no relegation next year, how can we upgrade players in our position no certainty we will be in superleague
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| Just not bloody good enough, This is bad. We are in serious trouble. TS may not be worried, we, the supporters are.
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| Quote ="rover 2000"some positive news coming im hearing ,unless its no relegation next year, how can we upgrade players in our position no certainty we will be in superleague'"
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| With the players to come back we should be ok and pick up enough points at home to avoid bottom.But that is not good enough and yet another season of bilge. The squad looked decent on paper and still does but we can't get them all on the park and doubt we ever will? Change the players we call turnstiles yet the new larker makes same misses. No conviction or pride in defence and that's a theme whatever the coach. Back to basics needed.Sort the defence out then we have half a chance.We know we can score points but not enough players wanting to roll sleeves up.abd do the ugly stuff. Will wait to see what Sheens says about that 2nd half but he should be going ballistic at them? Problem is I think he's at the stage of career that it doesn't hurt him like it did or should.
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| he made the same excuses he normally does, never heard him say i was wrong not to make hooker a priority at the start of the season ,if we win 1 game in 6 he always thinks of the game we won not the other 5, how a coach can make excuses and not react to some of the feeble defending made by the same culprates time and time again is beyond me the hole is getting bigger and he cannot fill it he should do the right thing and let someone else have a go
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| Having watched us for 40 years and sponsored us for the last 5 I've never been this disappointed I've laid off the criticism while we had so many out but last night's team sheet was good enough to do the job I think it was an nba star who said I can accept defeat I cannot accept a lack of effort. I think we're in that situation now and I've no idea how we're gonna change it. I won't single out anyone but I wish we had someone in the team who would lock the changing room door ala Ellis and scare the poop out of those locked inside, building a team mentality in business is key to success, rugby is a business, we don't seem to have a team mentality. It seems to have got to the point where players just don't wanna work for each other without the ball. I'm too fed up to rant. There's a chap who seems to want to return to rugby league in a coaching role who would certainly wouldn't stand for the defensive nonsense that were serving up shaun wane even now stood at the changing room door awaiting our powder puff defenders, we'll I tell you I'd not wanna be a player having to explain my efforts to him last nite.
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| Quote ="craig hkr"With the players to come back we should be ok and pick up enough points at home to avoid bottom.But that is not good enough and yet another season of bilge. The squad looked decent on paper and still does but we can't get them all on the park and doubt we ever will? Change the players we call turnstiles yet the new larker makes same misses. No conviction or pride in defence and that's a theme whatever the coach. Back to basics needed.Sort the defence out then we have half a chance.We know we can score points but not enough players wanting to roll sleeves up.abd do the ugly stuff. Will wait to see what Sheens says about that 2nd half but he should be going ballistic at them? Problem is I think he's at the stage of career that it doesn't hurt him like it did or should.'"
Heard this from a few Rovers fans in the past few weeks and I can't understand it. Rovers and London are the only 2 teams in the league that have scored under 300 points. Rovers are the second worst team at scoring points.
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| These 15 games winning only 4 will obviously affect that statement but last few year without looking at stats it's felt like we had points in us.Problem being we ship them in just as freely.Think this is why P Clarke often states he loves watching The Rovers on Sky as ww can be decent attacking. Unlike some teams who often stink the tv out.( Saying this I'd happily grind a few ugly wins out at present).Could well be bottom come next Sunday so the threat is real and the club from top to bottom must realise this. Problem is Sheens doesn't seem worried at all?
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| Quote ="rover 2000"he made the same excuses he normally does, never heard him say i was wrong not to make hooker a priority at the start of the season ,if we win 1 game in 6 he always thinks of the game we won not the other 5, how a coach can make excuses and not react to some of the feeble defending made by the same culprates time and time again is beyond me the hole is getting bigger and he cannot fill it he should do the right thing and let someone else have a go'"
At his age, you expect him to remember that much? He can’t even remember his own players names half the time. Give him another 3 year contract I say.
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| Quote ="craig hkr"With the players to come back we should be ok and pick up enough points at home to avoid bottom.But that is not good enough and yet another season of bilge. The squad looked decent on paper and still does but we can't get them all on the park and doubt we ever will? Change the players we call turnstiles yet the new larker makes same misses. No conviction or pride in defence and that's a theme whatever the coach. Back to basics needed.Sort the defence out then we have half a chance.We know we can score points but not enough players wanting to roll sleeves up.abd do the ugly stuff. Will wait to see what Sheens says about that 2nd half but he should be going ballistic at them? Problem is I think he's at the stage of career that it doesn't hurt him like it did or should.'"
Can't keep using injuries as an excuse Craig, you had a decent side on paper on Friday, those out wouldn't make a that big a difference.
At the moment Wakey, Hull, Cas and Catalans, all have more injuries than you and are picking up results. I think it's time to admit that you aren't very good, recruitment hasn't been good enough and a lot of the blame is Sheena.
Just watched the highlights from Friday, Hall is very good with ball on hand, but I don't think I've seen a worse one on one defender than him in SL, a couple of his attempts are truly pathetic.
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| Quote ="Hasbag"Heard this from a few Rovers fans in the past few weeks and I can't understand it. Rovers and London are the only 2 teams in the league that have scored under 300 points. Rovers are the second worst team at scoring points.'"
Scoring points goes hand in hand with defending though. If you are poor defensively you are going to spend a lot of your sets on the back foot in bad field position. It's hard to score a lot of points in that situation regardless of how good the attack is.
Rovers do have some good attacking threats, but it doesn't matter of they spend half their time stood under their own posts.
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| Oh dear. Looking Prime candidates to be relegated for me.
Eveytime Huddersfield got a penalty they scored. Every time we conceded a penalty we sulk rather than knuckle down.
Too many terrible defenders who fall off tackles led by McGuire, Keinhorst, Atkin, Vaivai, Lee.
How Webster has kept his job over the past few years i don't know.
Compare our recruitment to Salford 's over the past 2 seasons and it's embarrassing.
We can't get out act together since Morgan left.
Players like Griffin, Welham, Cook, Eden, Clark, have left and become far better players. This has been going on too long. I don't blame Sheens. There too nice an attitude and people like Smith and Webster set the culture.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Can't keep using injuries as an excuse Craig, you had a decent side on paper on Friday, those out wouldn't make a that big a difference.
At the moment Wakey, Hull, Cas and Catalans, all have more injuries than you and are picking up results. I think it's time to admit that you aren't very good, recruitment hasn't been good enough and a lot of the blame is Sheena.
Just watched the highlights from Friday, Hall is very good with ball on hand, but I don't think I've seen a worse one on one defender than him in SL, a couple of his attempts are truly pathetic.
It has to be Sheena time to go doesn't it?'"
Have those teams more injuries? Radford himself was spouting "Us still had 7 blokes out" Who would have played yesterday if all fit? Houghton Manu Burrito? That's about it.Bowden Tuimavvve may change place with Fash Griff but for me don't make the 17.So 3 out. Wakey have Brough Johnson Tupou but are letting forwards to to bring in Sau? Catalans Broughton Tomk who else ? Cas have fair few but Moors Gale Shenton stand out. Wakey and Cas it's key players moreso than huge numbers it seems? We have Wallis retired.Greenwood gone for season. Scruton seemingly done? Jewitt similar.Quinlan missed 20ish games.Lunt hardly played .Lee, Masoe and Garbutt and Lannon just back. So 5 or 6 out of 17 and 2 not match fit.Started the season with 6 props and 2 or 3 who could cover but only having 1 or 2 fit for large parts is what has done us harm. There does seem to be a few trickling back now though so hopefully that's the worse passed.Fc s 13 match streak was put down to injuries yesterday's game was won despite injuries.Dont believe the HDM fake news.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Can't keep using injuries as an excuse Craig, you had a decent side on paper on Friday, those out wouldn't make a that big a difference.
At the moment Wakey, Hull, Cas and Catalans, all have more injuries than you and are picking up results. I think it's time to admit that you aren't very good, recruitment hasn't been good enough and a lot of the blame is Sheena.
Just watched the highlights from Friday, Hall is very good with ball on hand, but I don't think I've seen a worse one on one defender than him in SL, a couple of his attempts are truly pathetic.
It has to be Sheena time to go doesn't it?'"
Your right Dave injuries have crippled us but Friday was the night we couldn’t blame we had enough to beat Huddersfield but only played for 40mins again and with our defence we can’t get away with it our 2 games against London now will probably determine our season and I know Sheens isn’t worried but I am as I think we had a better team the year we went down
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Have those teams more injuries? Radford himself was spouting "Us still had 7 blokes out" Who would have played yesterday if all fit? Houghton Manu Burrito? That's about it.Bowden Tuimavvve may change place with Fash Griff but for me don't make the 17.So 3 out. Wakey have Brough Johnson Tupou but are letting forwards to to bring in Sau? Catalans Broughton Tomk who else ? Cas have fair few but Moors Gale Shenton stand out. Wakey and Cas it's key players moreso than huge numbers it seems? We have Wallis retired.Greenwood gone for season. Scruton seemingly done? Jewitt similar.Quinlan missed 20ish games.Lunt hardly played .Lee, Masoe and Garbutt and Lannon just back. So 5 or 6 out of 17 and 2 not match fit.Started the season with 6 props and 2 or 3 who could cover but only having 1 or 2 fit for large parts is what has done us harm. There does seem to be a few trickling back now though so hopefully that's the worse passed.Fc s 13 match streak was put down to injuries yesterday's game was won despite injuries.Dont believe the HDM fake news.'"
The thing is Craig Cas have worse injuries than us but are competitive in every game and are around the top four with ironically a few players we deemed weren’t good enough to play for us we should have gone for Powell when he was at Fev there’s no excuses now we fielded a decent side on Friday and should have had the game wrapped up by half time
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"The thing is Craig Cas have worse injuries than us but are competitive in every game and are around the top four with ironically a few players we deemed weren’t good enough to play for us we should have gone for Powell when he was at Fev there’s no excuses now we fielded a decent side on Friday and should have had the game wrapped up by half time'"
It's hard to quantify worse? But yes that 2nd half at Hudds was abject.
Cas and Powell definetly get every drop out of their players and I like their pack and how they have played. Cook Clark Watts Webster Eden Ellis all let go by us play like new lads over there. We dont look bad on paper and pre season I was fairly confident of not being near bottom but it hasn't turned out that way? I sympathise with the cards Sheens has been dealt but I also wonder what Wane or Powell would have done in his place and suspect we would be higher than present. A big loss on Sunday will really put us in a pickle
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Have those teams more injuries? Radford himself was spouting "Us still had 7 blokes out" Who would have played yesterday if all fit? Houghton Manu Burrito? That's about it.Bowden Tuimavvve may change place with Fash Griff but for me don't make the 17.So 3 out. Wakey have Brough Johnson Tupou but are letting forwards to to bring in Sau? Catalans Broughton Tomk who else ? Cas have fair few but Moors Gale Shenton stand out. Wakey and Cas it's key players moreso than huge numbers it seems? We have Wallis retired.Greenwood gone for season. Scruton seemingly done? Jewitt similar.Quinlan missed 20ish games.Lunt hardly played .Lee, Masoe and Garbutt and Lannon just back. So 5 or 6 out of 17 and 2 not match fit.Started the season with 6 props and 2 or 3 who could cover but only having 1 or 2 fit for large parts is what has done us harm. There does seem to be a few trickling back now though so hopefully that's the worse passed.Fc s 13 match streak was put down to injuries yesterday's game was won despite injuries.Dont believe the HDM fake news.'"
Come on Craig, at least the players right, Wallis hasn't retired.
Who was out for the Hudds game, 2 key players, we had Carlos, Bowden, Manui, Ellis, Faramio, Houghton and probably Savalio, that's 7 of our 17.
We went to Catalans recently and won with 5 props missing.
Wakey had both their halfbacks and their two main strike players misding plus a few forwards and still won at Hudds.
Catalans, had no halfbacks yesterday and lost Bird early and still easily beat Wigan.
Injuries are part of the game now but apart from the too 2 everyone has suffered this season.
You are at best the 10th best team in the league, most of your fans are accepting this.
We are constanlty told how good a coach Sheens is and how great your recruit was and how poor Hull are, you were going to finish above us. But it is turning out like most seasons the last 30 years.
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| Against huddersfield the 1st half I would class as a profesional job done,all what was required,the 2nd half was championship one at best,error strewn,missed tackles,lack of discipline.You must have given them an inspiring half time team talk tim.
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