As it stands now, what would your starting 17 look like?

Dagger
Shaw
Vaivai
Keinhorst
Hall
Maguire
Atkin
Garbutt
Lunt
Jewitt
Linnet
Tomkins
Greenwood

Lawler
Lannon
Mulhern
Masoe

Missing out - addy, scruton, johnson, lee, hauraki, oakes, crooks,

Question marks around lunt's fitness, and the bench spots in particular. Also whether he see's linnet playing centre or second row. I tell you one thing, we are not a small team this year. I'd also be happy to swap most of the people missing out with starting 17 and you don't feel as though it weakens the team massively. Hopefully a top quality halfback to come in and things are looking good. I would of personally liked a winger, but understand why TS did not want to waste a quota space or big chunk on one when we have 3 guys who are all great finishers

Think linnet will play centre we do seem to have strength in depth need another half though as Blair isn’t coming back so we can’t use him to slot in

The recent additions are excellent and it's refreshing to hear Tomkins share that our target is 5th at least whilst Linnett talks winning the title. About time.
The 3rd half back is vital however. Lee is needed at hooker with Lunt's serious illness recovery. So with Mcguire's age and injury record and Blair not being offered a new deal another half of quality is critical.

With whats fit id go with this.

Dagger
Hall
Keinhorst
Linnet
VaiVai
Atkin
Maguire
Mulhern
Lee
Garbutt
Tomkins
Greenwood
Lannon
subs
Lawler
Masoe
Scruton
Addy

I think weve got possibly our strongest pack for a good while and a good mix in the backs, just needs that halfback and were looking good or certainly better.

Probably go for that team myself. But Vaivai is a centre, and should not be near the wing, I’d put Shaw on the wing and Vaivai his centre.
It’s been a long time since we’ve been blessed with so many good centres.i have renewed optimism for this coming season, no reason why we can’t do a Wakefield next year.
Just a back up half and I think we’re ready to go.

I put Vaivai on the wing for size really, Shaw and Hall will score lots of tries but are lacking in kick return IMHO so thats why i suggested Vaivai. Im pretty sure our starting centres will be Vaivai and Linnet.
I like the Wakey comparison too. Heres hoping

1. Dagger
2. Hall
3. Linnett
4. Vaivai
5. Shaw
6. McGuire
7. Atkin
8. Jewitt
9. Lawler
10. Mulhern
11. Tomkins
12. Greenwood
13. Lannon

14. Addy
15. Masoe
16. Garbutt
17. Keinhorst

Vai Vai Linnett Crooks all would be above Keinhorst in pecking order as I see it. Still 4 very good centres and the likes of Tompkins can cover. Another hooker and half or one top class player who can play both positions and we are looking good. Props and back row has size and depth. Reasons to be cheerful

Shaw has to play,his goalkicking could win matches vaivai,would be the one i'd leave out,started great,but was invisible but for short bursts,and then showed us what he can do,and looked to have added a bit of timber towards the season end.Its a tough call which only can be a good sign for us,hopeful for a much improved season.

Sneeeyd can kick? Rumours he's on the naughty step and on his way out

So you'd advocate for kieran moss all season, but leave vaivai out? I mean everyone is entitled to an opinion but imo this is crackers.

Moss was better than what we had available last season,was what i was saying.
You would leave one of our 2 new signings out keinhorst or linnett,imo that would be crackers.Who would you leave out for vaivai.??

Has somebody mentioned sneeeyd ??

Not on here but seems may be some truth in it? Can't see us being in for him either way tbh. Wigan mentioned as possible.

Interesting.I would be quite confident we will do ok if we can clinch drinkwaters signing.

Goes without saying mate. Depth in the halves to play behind a pack that will dominate.

I did say in my initial team that linnet may be in second row, so both were in. If linnet plays centre then I would not start keinhorst as he hasn't the same level of experience linnet has. Vaivai put tries on a plate and scored a fair few last season, he deserves to keep his place instead of players who are not proven in a KR shirt. Hopefully a full pre season injury free gets him in the shape of his life

1. Dagger
2. Shaw
3. Vaivai
4. Crooks
5. Hall
6. Maguire
7. Atkin
8. Mulhern
9. Lawler
10.Masoe
11.Linnett
12.Tomkins
13.Addy

14.Garbutt
15.Lawler
16 and 17.2 of Greenwood/Scruton/Jewitt/Lannon/Keinhorst/Johnson/Hauraki

I would hope that Oakes can come of age this year and wrestle a wing spot from Hall or Shaw, as his exit sets and power are amazing for someone so young. That said Hall and Shaw know how to finish tries and will likely start as incumbents.

There are plenty of options across the park, with the exception of Fullback, Half and Hooker (hopefully Lunt regains fitness and quickly). I can see why we are looking at a back up half.

Quietly hopeful for this coming season. Lets hope for some better luck on the injury front this year. With AQ and Lunt not starting the season we have already had our share.

Who exactly will that pack dominate, looks quite poor to me and your backs look painfully slow tbh. Not saying you're awful but can't see where you've improved much either tbh.

Tomkins and Addy in particular are really poor.

Our "friends" from the darkside are active again I see. The test of whether any of our signings are good or not is if the darkside start slagging them off then we know that we have a "good un". I think that as this discussion shows with people putting forward their various selection permutations we have strength in depth that we haven't had for a long time. I'm quietly optimistic.

Addy was standout for Scotland in WC and attracting interest from NRL.Tomkins has been decent for us and will benefit from full pre season.We have bought well imo. We don't have 2 roly polys like you but we do look physically bigger as a pack and have more aggresion than the last few year. As for speed in backs Hall,ShawDagger,VaiVai,Crooks are all quick.Atkin in the halves is rapid. I'd say all our centres are quicker than Lynne and Tupou? I have little concern over your view of our team and am confident we will go fine. 2 top 5 finishes for your team is commendable but I can't see you troubling the top 5 this time.

The rest I'll accept though not agree with as far as it goes but that is purely agents rubbish - not on this planet is Addy NRL standard, not even remotely, seriously man not even close.

I'd say none of your backs are quicker than Tupou and not any quicker than Lyne.

As for your last comment, that's exactly what they all said last year and the year before that but you have it your way.

I do think there’s a risk that now our pack (hopefully) won’t get dominated so often, some assume the opposite will be true. My expectation is that it’ll be competitive at least, most weeks.

Addy offers versatility, and might get into the 17. Imo his best position is second row, and we have better options to start there. I think any suggestion he starts at 13 might reflect a dissatisfaction with how the modern game is played, rather than what is likely to happen.

I think we have recruited well, especially under the circumstances. However, Quinlan will be a big miss for most/all of the season unless Dagger has a real breakthrough year.

Many said the same about Cooper and Hodgson.Who knows if a team might have taken a punt on him? Look I have no problem with Wakey even the 20 year of bull about stadium etc. Fact is after a little relative success a few prominent Wakey posters on here have gotten very pious.Counts for nothing this coming season and I see Wakey between 7 and 10. Sorry if this offends. Like you say we will see soon enough

Dagger
Vaivai
Linnett
Kienhorst
Hall
McGuire
Altkin
Scruton
Lunt
Masoe
Tomkins
Hauraki
Mulhern

Garbutt
Lawler
Addy
Greenwood\Lannon\Jewitt ....a horse for a course.

Best defensive 17 we've had in a while. Big aggressive with some guile at 1, 6,7 ,and 9. We need another pivot. Plenty of cover though for the rest in Crooks, Oakes, Wallis, Shaw, Cator, Lee etc