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| Well, today we got dominated by Bradford and fair play to them. From the first minute to the last there was no intensity from us, we looked slow and sluggish and our previously slick attack was nullified. Our poor discipline returned which really hurt us, as well as coughing up possession countless times. Could pick faults all day but my main gripe is putting blokes on the pitch who havent been training etc when there are fully fit replacements sat watching, no doubt also frustrated by this.
Fair enough if it was Dobson or maybe Paterson, people who really would massively reduce our chance of winning if they werent out there and they just had a bit of flu. But if its a forward why not give Cox and Green a chance, both have waited with limited opportunities. Surely those players at 100% would be better options!
P.s. I hope to God Mika was one of those carrying a knock to give a tiny amount of justification for his awful performance. He still has a lot to prove as far as im concerned but Sandy seems to love him
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| I could'nt agree more. Mika needs to perform and damn quick aswell, that or play him in the reserves until he proves himself and can catch a ball!.
We hear a lot of good reports of fringe players, Beharrell as an example should be given a chance, we are playing for 8th in the table and nothing more, sandercock has players in the under 19's chomping at the bit, if regular first team players are not performing then he should show some balls and give the youngsters a chance.
On a side note I would get noble in. Sandercock does not fill me with confidence, John Kear and Brian noble together would get results from the staff we have far quicker then Sandercock ever will. Just my opinion but lets be honest we are not doing well under the current coach and first team players are not performing to their full potential under him.
Too much of a nice guy seems about right for me. As much as he is, we are not going to get results from him in charge. Noble is proven for defence and kear for attack, get them in!
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| Quote ="HKR Smithy"Well, today we got dominated by Bradford and fair play to them. From the first minute to the last there was no intensity from us, we looked slow and sluggish and our previously slick attack was nullified. Our poor discipline returned which really hurt us, as well as coughing up possession countless times. Could pick faults all day but my main gripe is putting blokes on the pitch who havent been training etc when there are fully fit replacements sat watching, no doubt also frustrated by this.
Fair enough if it was Dobson or maybe Paterson, people who really would massively reduce our chance of winning if they werent out there and they just had a bit of flu. But if its a forward why not give Cox and Green a chance, both have waited with limited opportunities. Surely those players at 100% would be better options!
P.s. I hope to God Mika was one of those carrying a knock to give a tiny amount of justification for his awful performance. He still has a lot to prove as far as im concerned but Sandy seems to love him'"
Paterson played did he? went missing for the full the game from what I saw
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| Well he's taking the blame is sandercock not good enough I'm afraid come on Craig ur better than this get sum of the young players out there
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| Well after letting the dust settle i am still as angry, rovers that was a woeful,gutless performance and i was thinking maybe we had turned a corner, more fool me.
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| What is it with rovers don't we ever learn back in 1986 we lost a c cup final thanks to playing a unfit Gavin miller and we are still doing it 27 yrs later we should not do it for gods sake
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| Im fed up of hearing about 1986 and Gavin Miller,6 months ago i asked Roger Millward why did he play Gav Miller with the injury,he said that back in 86 the rules were clear,the coach signed the team off then Gav pulled his hammy/calf once RM had handed it in,no changing of bringing in the 18th man(16th back then).
He could have subbed him straight away admitted but didnt.
Oh and im just as against playing unfit players as most are,but seems the pressure is mounting on Craig.
If a player doent train ALL week i wouldnt consider him for the weekend,whoever it is,but thats just my personal opinion
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| just heard Rover's preparing for some bad news. Dobson possible hamstring tear could be up to 8 weeks.
Don't know how true but a lad I work with is a Rovers nut and I've just had to put him on suicide watch after he got this txt.
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| Quote ="major black"just heard Rover's preparing for some bad news. Dobson possible hamstring tear could be up to 8 weeks.
Don't know how true but a lad I work with is a Rovers nut and I've just had to put him on sucide watch after he got this txt.'"
as good as he is, behind a beaten pack he's pretty ineffective, as most half backs are.
poor 1st half completion rate and errors gave us no chance of winning that game yesterday. It's the players that need to address that both individually and as a team.
in for another average season, won't stop me being there though!
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Well he's taking the blame is sandercock not good enough I'm afraid come on Craig ur better than this get sum of the young players out there'"
With 'kids' you'll get energy, enthusiasm... and errors. Because errors drain energy and sap enthusiasm, it isn't a recipe for winning. Tbf, it could be argued 'why not?' because we're making errors anyway - we've a lot of players who are more 'talented and erratic' than they are 'solid and dependable' now (from one extreme to the other perhaps). To me though sticking more youngsters out there will likely just compound the problems. We went down that route at the back of last year and it is a big part of what has left CS on shaky ground. He needs runs on the board.
From what I've seen previously and been told of yesterday, there are a couple of consistent underperformers who aren't helping his cause, but we shouldn't chuck the baby out with the bath water when we're 3 from the last 5.
The rumours about Dobson are worrying, for obvious reasons.
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| Quote ="red al"as good as he is, behind a beaten pack he's pretty ineffective, as most half backs are.
poor 1st half completion rate and errors gave us no chance of winning that game yesterday. It's the players that need to address that both individually and as a team.
in for another average season, won't stop me being there though!'"
Even behind a beaten pack, his kicking game can still get you good territory and get you a way back into a match. If your pack is beaten and you now have to rely on Hall/Burns for a tactical kicking game, then you may be in a bit of trouble
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| Quote ="PAC"Im fed up of hearing about 1986 and Gavin Miller,6 months ago i asked Roger Millward why did he play Gav Miller with the injury,he said that back in 86 the rules were clear,the coach signed the team off then Gav pulled his hammy/calf once RM had handed it in,no changing of bringing in the 18th man(16th back then).
He could have subbed him straight away admitted but didnt.
Oh and im just as against playing unfit players as most are,but seems the pressure is mounting on Craig.
If a player doent train ALL week i wouldnt consider him for the weekend,whoever it is,but thats just my personal opinion'"
In Rogers book he says Miller pulled his hamstring in the final training session on the Friday.
And that he risked it as Miller not being on the teamsheet would of given Cas a huge pscyological boost?
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Even behind a beaten pack, his kicking game can still get you good territory and get you a way back into a match. If your pack is beaten and you now have to rely on Hall/Burns for a tactical kicking game, then you may be in a bit of trouble'"
no doubt he's the first name on the team sheet, but i wouldn't hit the panic button until we have had a few games without him (if he' injured at all).
Josh Hodgeson can put some good kicks in from dummy half, withers and probably burns. we don't know how capable other members of the squad are due to dobson having a good run of games and everything going through him.
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| Has anything been said about Burns? He also limped off clutching his hip towards the end of the game
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Even behind a beaten pack, his kicking game can still get you good territory and get you a way back into a match. If your pack is beaten and you now have to rely on Hall/Burns for a tactical kicking game, then you may be in a bit of trouble'"
TBH that combo would worry me slightly more as Hall can be very unpredictable were as Dobson I feel is very predictable that said he is very very good at what he does.
I hope he's fit for the derby as it puts us in a no win situation (apart from the 2 points), ready made excuse if we win or beaten with one hand tied behind your back if we lose.
I hate derby's getting nervous now and its two weeks away.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"In Rogers book he says Miller pulled his hamstring in the final training session on the Friday.
And that he risked it as Miller not being on the team sheet would of given Cas a huge psychological boost?'"
That is true i have got the book and has i said do we not learn from our mistakes
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| Dobson felt his hamstring but jogged off the pitch. I'd be surprised if it was 8 weeks, maybe a couple which would be bad enough.
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| I never wish injury or illness on any player, even one of yours. However, if he could be missing for the derby it would be very much appreciated.
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| Quote ="barham red"Dobson felt his hamstring but jogged off the pitch. I'd be surprised if it was 8 weeks, maybe a couple which would be bad enough.'"
Now I've stopped laughing at my mate's obvious destress it does seem a bit extreme. I can't remember but think they go in grades 1-3 three being the worst were you can hardly stand up let alone jog. Also even a grade 3 carries about 6 weeks max.iirc.
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| Why aew we are paying Sandercock as coach,Chester as assistant,Stanley Gene as Assistant assistant Lower grade coaches a rugby director in Phil Lowe an OCE or whatever his title is in Smith several senior international players with lots of experience and none of this lot can come up with the answer why we are playing so badly,giving away penalty after penalty, not tackling , not trying which i never thought I would say. We are in dire straights and need a shake up now I agree at this moment in time we a playing for 8th place after 7 games is disgusting make changes now before it is too late if I made the same mistakes week after week that this lot do I would be on the dole looking for another job. Apart from being a sporting club this is also a business if they dont work hard and produce GET RID NOW
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| Quote ="easthull4"Why aew we are paying Sandercock as coach,Chester as assistant,Stanley Gene as Assistant assistant Lower grade coaches a rugby director in Phil Lowe an OCE or whatever his title is in Smith several senior international players with lots of experience and none of this lot can come up with the answer why we are playing so badly,giving away penalty after penalty, not tackling , not trying which i never thought I would say. We are in dire straights and need a shake up now I agree at this moment in time we a playing for 8th place after 7 games is disgusting make changes now before it is too late if I made the same mistakes week after week that this lot do I would be on the dole looking for another job. Apart from being a sporting club this is also a business if they dont work hard and produce GET RID NOW'"
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"In Rogers book he says Miller pulled his hamstring in the final training session on the Friday.
And that he risked it as Miller not being on the teamsheet would of given Cas a huge pscyological boost?'"
I asked him face to face re Gavin and got the answer i quoted, unless his memory is going perhaps ?
Not the best RL book is that,ghost written and a poor attempt IMO for the biggest Rovers legend.
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"What is it with rovers don't we ever learn back in 1986 we lost a c cup final thanks to playing a unfit Gavin miller and we are still doing it 27 yrs later we should not do it for gods sake
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Remember it well.
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Get out, and take your Jamie Bloody Sandy with you.
The memories of that hideous day are still so vivid I can even remember the colour of the strapping on Miller's leg.
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| Cheers. On the subject of Jamie Sandy - I saw him when he visited Castleford last year. Boy has he put some timber on. Five foot tall and the same as wide. Castleford hero though and a character to boot.
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