Foxy looked like an absolute world beater last night up against England's best winger. (

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He didn't have a yard to move in all 2nd half (Gardener) because of Foxy's close marking and he really got shown up for a lack of pace I have never noticed before for the kick chase try.


Fox and Briscoe first choice for England at long last?

But Puletua is a BEAST!!!! Wish we had someone as devastating as him!

im sure lee smith will be ahead of briscoe

fox has a chance if calderwood, raynor or Gardener are either playing crap or have injurys

Calderwood and Gardener are already crap.



Lee Smith is not actually a full back either.

Gardener is only good at catching balls from Gidley and falling over the line in the corner

grow a pair mate

calderwood needs more ball for us to show how good he is

lee smith has been great at fullback leeds he will walk it in the england fullback

Raynor doesn't play for Saints!



Tbh though I really like Fox and think he will be a regular in the England team in the next couple of years. Gardner is really average and I just wish the selectors would realise this about him.

I also think that Lee Smith will be ahead of Briscoe for the fb position for England.

Calderwood used to be decent at Leeds but everyone knows his best days are well over.

Fox is the future and we should be using the players we will rely on soon whenever we can.

I said Briscoe should be in the England/GB team when he was at Hull and IMO Lee Smith shouldnt be allowed to lace the guys boots. There is nobody braver in the game than Brisk and I think there were a fair few Saints fans last night that would agree Briscoe should be Englands number 1.

But England don't need a brave and safe fb. They need an attacking fb who can evade tackles etc.

We need to attack against the Ozzies and NZ, there is no point in having safe defensive players against teams like Oz, because it won't win you games it will just delay whent they score.

What he said. I like Briscoe but we've had Wellens for long enough as a 'brave' fullback.

I liked the idea of Fox going to Australia and I have no idea why he didn't. He's got speed, a rugby brain and is good defensively. He also finishes well (which is actually what Gardner does very well, assuming Gidley throws to him rather than at the roof). Gardner is not as fast as Fox but then all but two Saints players are not as fast as the rest of SL (the two being Pryce and Eastmond, both of whom are very fast when allowed to run). Gardner has also become a class act defensively. But he does need a good centre. There again, so does every winger.

As for Smith, I think he's over-rated at fullback. While he does have the pace, yes, he isn't very safe defensively and like it or not, fullback is still the last defence and he has to be safe as well as fast. I don't know how fast Briscoe is? He looked good last night. But if he has pace then I don't see why he shouldn't be given a go at international level because what I've seen of him looks good enough. Wellens is past it now internationally and he knows it (he has already mentioned about not playing internationally again anyway). He had his day and was very good for most of it.

I'd like to see both Briscoe and Fox in an international side. There are a few other players from other clubs I'd like to see for England too. I think the only two that should go from Saints are Graham and Roby (but Roby only if he is allowed to play impact hooker). Pryce would also be great but he's just too unreliable, which is sad because he is a gifted player when he plays. And damn, did we miss him last night. He is a creative genius when he tunes in.

All those years playing for Hull FC and you never actually spotted Briscoe?

If you class ducking under the tackles! Briscoe is never going to beat a man for pace is he.

All those years playing for Hull FC and you never actually spotted Briscoe?

Clearly not then, and by the looks of it you must have him mistaken for someone else.

fox is far superior to gardner and should be iven a chance for england.

not sure about briscoe i'd probably go with smith.

Briscoe & Smith are both good options depending on which route you want to go down for a full-back.

Fox has to start in the England team for the four nations and Wellens and Gardner should never be anywhere near an England shirt again.

Keep dreaming - it's what everyone kept saying whilst he was at Wigan. "He just needs more ball" "He just needs a proper centre".

Calderwood is nothing without Senior, just like Gardener is nothing without Gidley.

Gardner had a very good game last night, he made loads of yardage in midfield and was solid in his all round game.

Peter Fox merely showed that he was quicker than Gardner on a long kick chase run, which is something everyone knew anyway.

Fox is a decent player and deserves another shot at international level. For me he is stronger than calamity Calderwood or Crab Raynor.
Remember that he plays on the opposite wing to Gardner.

and tom briscoe is stronger then fox

But he's devastating between both touch lines

Ah yes , the sliding attack strategy

Calderwood is cack and has been for ages I serously suggest you pull your head out of you if you dont belive so.
Yes Lee Smith is a great FB in fact he such a good FB that when Leeds first choice FB is available he doesnt get a look in and he is also so great that when the england FB was looking decidedly dodgy they gave Lee smith a proper go....................Oh wait no they didnt because he was wing cover!

Both Calderwood and Smith went to the WC on the back of 1 game.,

On his own merits Gardner is nowhere near international level and should never play for England again (on either wing).