Good morning

After the dust has settled after another implosion!

As i was leaving the east stand yesterday there was an orrible drunk little man in a s..t yellow shirt having a go at Mickey Paea, firstly i was hoping MP would jump over the fence and bite the dwarfs nose off but MP did the right thing and let it lie. I have read some comments on here and the HDM site giving Mickey a rough time, i for one think he has had a very good first season and at times he has carried us forward on his own, he is in the top 10 in metres gained in super league, yes he makes mistakes and gives pens away but hasnt everone

Mickey Paea ran past me after the game towards Soccer Sensations, random eh?

I don't remember people giving Mickey Paea any hassle on here, he's had a very good first season IMO, ran hard, tackled hard, scored a couple of tries too. The only thing lacking from his game is off loads (but he's not on his own there)

He certainly wasn't the worst forward yesterday in fact he frequently drove the ball in very well, taking three and sometimes four defenders to stop him, the main culprit yesterday imo i'm afraid to say was Mika.
How many times this season has he tried to make an impossible pass or offload in his own 20 or 30 metre area resulting in lost possesion,? Phil Lowe was telling us after the game that Mika was distraught in the changing rooms which shows he at least realised his mistake but he needs to learn to stop making them so often.

TBH our first few games this season we were offloading - Clinton/Paea/Mika etc.
A couple of mistakes and we went back to our old regimented safe rugby. This had to have been a coach led change.

Mickey Paea has had a good season really. Ever present(?) and the type of prop we have lacked in previous seasons. We could do to use him better at times (the odd dummy runner) and all that. There's often been little or no doubt when Paea's receiving and he usually has a strong 3 man reception awaiting.

If memory serves it was a nice ball from Paea to Salter for his first try yesterday too.

micky paea made 2 mistakes that led to tries but on the other hand gave us the go forward to get in front in the first half

So what are you saying?

That mickey cost us the game if mika hadn't thrown that ball away in the last minute we'd be talking about a draw now

Think both paea and mika are decent players. Run very hard and really do get you on the front foot. The thing with Polynesians is they love to keep the ball alive it's just how they play, when it comes off it looks incredibly skilful but when it doesn't it can really cost you. It's just about curbing their enthusiasm a little bit.

what im saying is on the one hand you could say his mistakes cost us the game but on the other hand we would have never been in it if it hadnt been for him and i think hes been our best forward this year

I think thats a fair comment frankie by sounds of RH interview he was pretty gutted in the changing room afterwards

I wish all the forwards ran with as much aggression as Micky.

Its not very often that it takes less than 3 defenders to put him down.

Definitely a better impact player coming off the bench too!!

I don't see the point in having a player like that, we pay players to win us games, not lose them!

If we had a product that cost 50p to make and we sold it for 40p what is the point in running that product? We don't get any gain, but we get a loss!!!

I can handle a couple of mistakes, but they can’t just be balanced out by a couple of drives up the pitch, if someone costs us 2 tries then that player has to be directly involved or even score 3 tries to make up for his error, otherwise that player is a liability!

Micky Paea lost us the game IMO, he has to be man enough to admit it to himself and make up for it against Wigan........................

But I will let CS tell him!

Sorry for asking - what exactly did Paea do wrong on Sunday to cost us the game?

Not holding onto a ball whilst on the floor!

This was the big one for me, a real turning point that gave Wakefield belief going in at half time!

He only had to run it out with seconds left in the first half, but he knocked it on!

I said to my wife at the time that something like that can lose you a game, when I played (Winger) we used to have a toilet seat with a brass plate saying "Poo Head" (but the other word for poo!!!), this was given to the player who had made the biggest error in the game and he was made to wear it on the night out in which ever town we happened to be in (I had it twice!!), this was the error that effectively cost us the game (if we lost!) or just the funniest if we won!

I would have voted for Paea to get the toilet seat!

It’s not a bad thing knowing that people think you are at fault; nobody in my team wanted the toilet seat so we all made very few errors and had lots of success in the 90’s!

I missed the game last weekend & didn't hear any of the commentary, was Micky Paea the only one to make an error then? I know what your saying about where & when an error was made, but it seems a bit harsh to put the loss down to one player.

That must have been Union.

No of course not!

Players make errors, but some errors are bigger than others, if Mickey knocks on 10 meters away from the Wakey try line then its a different story, its all about opinion at the end of the day.

Im not starting a Mickey out campaign, but I am saying knowing that people think you can do better is not a bad thing, he is only human at the end of the day and it was only a game of rugby but if you make a really poor mistake then you should be told!

No, League!



Only played Union once, never again!

Cost us the game - absolute frep.
A basic error, yes - it happens. It only resulted in handing Wakefield possession on half way with 35 seconds left. Latus been unable to process that a kick from the scrum was a high probability and shot it in - contributed for Cockayne getting the ball. Dobson then grabbing @ Cockayne's neck, to give them a penalty didn’t help. As Rovers entire team then more or less expecting Wakey to take the two, completely switch off (some even had the back to the ball, I think) and Cockayne takes a quick tap to catch us well and truly with our pants down. Embarrassing stuff overall, but an excellent opportunist try from Wakey. I know, you can harp on about if Paea never knocked it would never had unfolded, but sport just doesn't work like that. You make an error, fine - it's how you/rest deal with it that really matters. We didn't deal with it.

Also, you+'Fun time' made ref to Paea costing us two tries - which was the other one?

If you genuinely are trying to pin the game on this one error in a game of multiple variable's and resulting outcomes, then you really are deserving of more than a toilet seat, you can have FAG for that.

I take it you are opposed to any opinion other that your own, that's okay, do you like fluffy bunnies as well?

Love em, but that has frep all do with the topic.

I disagree with your blame game that's all.

I'm not suggesting you are. As I said, I didn't see or listen to the game so can't really comment on anything that happened.
I'm sure he, & whoever else will be kicking themselves over any errors they made regardless of what came after them. They shouldn't need telling by anyone.
God, I'm starting to sound like AS now!

So what do you think they will be doing in the video session?

Mistakes lose matches; it’s not a witch hunt, its pointing out that if this does not happen then we have an increased %age of winning the game.

That error by Micky was IMO the biggest in the game, the one that (even at the time) I said could lose us the game!

What is wrong with that?

Do we just allow players to make mistakes and say “never mind, better luck next time son”?

Or do we say “Micky, look at what happens here, we have 35 seconds left in the half and you go for a Hollywood drive down the flank when you should have just covered the ball and ran it in nice and steady, you ended up losing the ball on the floor and put pressure on our defence which resulted in a try, what do you think Micky?”

Mickey would responed..........

We could say........

“Mickey I believe this mistake was the biggest contributing factor to our defeat on Sunday, what are you going to do differently next time?”

What is wrong with doing this?

No, we blame the opposition for fielding a full strength team and the officials.

Of course his error will be highlighted, but your opinion that this was the reason we lost the game is just something I don't agree with. As I said the try did not directly come from the mistake it gave them the opportunity to get the sniff.
It's all ifs and buts - Withers/Mika frep up at the death. Dobson failing to convert (for him) kickable conversions (again).
Taylor's high shot + every other silly penalty and any other mistakes each player made all added up to the outcome. Totally pointless pinning a defeat on one individual error made during an 80min game full of different mistakes.