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Quote ="Mild Rover"Wholeheartedly agree about grassroots and junior clubs - that is where the big difference can be made and where investment should be made, IMO.
On the reserves team, what level should it aim to be in your opinion?
I think there's value in Fax running a near-amateur A-team to develop semi-pro players. A SL reserve team needs to be operating at a higher level IMO - but running a decent part-time championship-level teams would be much less affordable (or even 2 thirds of of one, hoping enough first team squad players are available to make up the numbers to fulfill fixtures). Also, for those players considering walking away from the sport, is Hull A or Rovers A much more attractive than Batley, say?
Given that some clubs have tried it recently and it has really struggled to take off, what would you change to make it more viable?'"
The reserves should be a better more attractive option to both the club and player than using dual-reg, certainly a higher standard than L1.
There's a great article from Fax's Head Coach ahead of 2018 regarding their reserves:
https://www.halifaxrlfc.co.uk/article/5 ... x-reserves
And another on the benefits Fax are seeing via LoveRugbyLeague:
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ha ... erve-team/
Superleague squads operate with around 30 players, so the bulk of a reserve side are already on the payroll, supplemented with some top local talent where & when needed. Exclusive sponsorship deals separate to the first team, a small entry charge for matches, chuck in a beer tent, food, a merchandise stand etc, along with some dedicated central funds - it's doable  .
I think the issue with the reserve league was the lack of matches, a lack of clubs that made the commitment. Wigan spoke very highly of the reserves, but it's very difficult to run when you only have a handful of games a season. I'd make it compulsory, immediately gets rid of that problem, and trial it for a couple of seasons. |
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Quote ="Mild Rover"Wholeheartedly agree about grassroots and junior clubs - that is where the big difference can be made and where investment should be made, IMO.
On the reserves team, what level should it aim to be in your opinion?
I think there's value in Fax running a near-amateur A-team to develop semi-pro players. A SL reserve team needs to be operating at a higher level IMO - but running a decent part-time championship-level teams would be much less affordable (or even 2 thirds of of one, hoping enough first team squad players are available to make up the numbers to fulfill fixtures). Also, for those players considering walking away from the sport, is Hull A or Rovers A much more attractive than Batley, say?
Given that some clubs have tried it recently and it has really struggled to take off, what would you change to make it more viable?'"
The reserves should be a better more attractive option to both the club and player than using dual-reg, certainly a higher standard than L1.
There's a great article from Fax's Head Coach ahead of 2018 regarding their reserves:
https://www.halifaxrlfc.co.uk/article/5 ... x-reserves
And another on the benefits Fax are seeing via LoveRugbyLeague:
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ha ... erve-team/
Superleague squads operate with around 30 players, so the bulk of a reserve side are already on the payroll, supplemented with some top local talent where & when needed. Exclusive sponsorship deals separate to the first team, a small entry charge for matches, chuck in a beer tent, food, a merchandise stand etc, along with some dedicated central funds - it's doable .
I think the issue with the reserve league was the lack of matches, a lack of clubs that made the commitment. Wigan spoke very highly of the reserves, but it's very difficult to run when you only have a handful of games a season. I'd make it compulsory, immediately gets rid of that problem, and trial it for a couple of seasons. | |
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The RFU have a guy working with the East Riding schools, even Yorkshire cricket send bowling/batting coaches down even at primary level.You have to engage youngsters.You will probably lose 20 for every 1 you bring through as keeping them interested is nigh on impossible My nephew was involved in local RL but now obsessed with boxing but had real talent in RL. I went to Hunsley a fair while ago and no RL played there (officaly) Just RU.They are better funded better organised and have a far superior international product but a RU club game is turgid to watch compared to SL imo
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| Quote ="craig hkr"They are better funded better organised and have a far superior international product but a RU club game is turgid to watch compared to SL imo'"
Back when Union was officially amateur still and was based more heavily around kicking and set pieces, imo there was, even allowing for my bias, a big gap.
Union has come a long way as a spectacle. It is still flawed, imo - but that largely just reflects my preferences now. Putting aside, probably now outdated, resentments there’s much to admire even though I remain largely uninterested.
At the same time, the dicking about in the ruck and conservative tactics make RL games I watch as neutral less compelling than a few years ago. | | |
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Sorry, back to reserves for a moment, there's a great article here on Chester Butler:
www.totalrl.com/fax-star-butler- ... rve-grade/
Butler was picked up from Siddal, a local amateur side when he was 22. Exposure to the training and support at Fax, he improved and went to the World Cup with Wales last year and is a regular in Fax's first team. What a success story.
Even at Hull, Chris Green and Jamie Shaul were playing locally and almost lost to the professional game. |
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Sorry, back to reserves for a moment, there's a great article here on Chester Butler:
www.totalrl.com/fax-star-butler- ... rve-grade/
Butler was picked up from Siddal, a local amateur side when he was 22. Exposure to the training and support at Fax, he improved and went to the World Cup with Wales last year and is a regular in Fax's first team. What a success story.
Even at Hull, Chris Green and Jamie Shaul were playing locally and almost lost to the professional game. | |
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| Problem is there's still a lot of outdated, and I believe, class related prejudices from the Union people towards our game in this area.
My lads play both codes and some of his more snobbish Union coaches are clearly unhappy he and some of his mates play contact League. It's not helped by them only playing tag at his age group so some of the tags are, how can I put it...? - A little robust!  And hand-offs are frowned upon which is really difficult for a 6yr old to remember what code he's playing when running full pelt with the ball. However when they do start to tackle in a year's time they will be the best tacklers on the pitch!
Having said that I do believe there is room for both codes to flourish at their young age group but the problems will arise eventually when match days clash at weekends and they are forced to choose code. | | | |
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Quote ="DGM"Sorry, back to reserves for a moment, there's a great article here on Chester Butler:
www.totalrl.com/fax-star-butler- ... rve-grade/
Butler was picked up from Siddal, a local amateur side when he was 22. Exposure to the training and support at Fax, he improved and went to the World Cup with Wales last year and is a regular in Fax's first team. What a success story.
Even at Hull, Chris Green and Jamie Shaul were playing locally and almost lost to the professional game.'"
It sounds like it is working well for Halifax. If Rovers were relegated and eventually had to go part-time, for example, I can see value in running an inexpensive reserve team as part of wider reshaping of the club, along a similar model.
However, all clubs have different circumstances and a variety of approaches is fine imo. Presently we’re a SL club and our partnership with York seems to be working well (for both parties, based on what their coach has said). Equally, i’ve got no issue with other SL clubs running reserve teams if that suits them. Making it compulsory, just reminds me of licensing - of people who don’t have the pressures of running a club more or less accusing those that do of doing it wrong, and trying to force them to do it differently.
Edit. I’ve just been looking for Jamie Peacock quotes for t’other thread, and I quite like this Queensland-inspired model (details towards the end of the article).
www.seriousaboutrl.com/peacock-r ... rade-5023/
Which is pretty near to a reserve team, but I especially like that the younger lads stay with their amateur clubs longer. Obviously, KuH and the East Riding isn’t Brisbane and Queensland, but investment in links with community clubs, and 19s and 23s (with a limited number over age) is attractive imo. And if the 23s were a joint team under the CoH banner, it could be worthwhile and affordable. Karen made a good point about about building a club identity through these teams, a while back, but imo it’d be better to focus resources. |
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Quote ="DGM"Sorry, back to reserves for a moment, there's a great article here on Chester Butler:
www.totalrl.com/fax-star-butler- ... rve-grade/
Butler was picked up from Siddal, a local amateur side when he was 22. Exposure to the training and support at Fax, he improved and went to the World Cup with Wales last year and is a regular in Fax's first team. What a success story.
Even at Hull, Chris Green and Jamie Shaul were playing locally and almost lost to the professional game.'"
It sounds like it is working well for Halifax. If Rovers were relegated and eventually had to go part-time, for example, I can see value in running an inexpensive reserve team as part of wider reshaping of the club, along a similar model.
However, all clubs have different circumstances and a variety of approaches is fine imo. Presently we’re a SL club and our partnership with York seems to be working well (for both parties, based on what their coach has said). Equally, i’ve got no issue with other SL clubs running reserve teams if that suits them. Making it compulsory, just reminds me of licensing - of people who don’t have the pressures of running a club more or less accusing those that do of doing it wrong, and trying to force them to do it differently.
Edit. I’ve just been looking for Jamie Peacock quotes for t’other thread, and I quite like this Queensland-inspired model (details towards the end of the article).
www.seriousaboutrl.com/peacock-r ... rade-5023/
Which is pretty near to a reserve team, but I especially like that the younger lads stay with their amateur clubs longer. Obviously, KuH and the East Riding isn’t Brisbane and Queensland, but investment in links with community clubs, and 19s and 23s (with a limited number over age) is attractive imo. And if the 23s were a joint team under the CoH banner, it could be worthwhile and affordable. Karen made a good point about about building a club identity through these teams, a while back, but imo it’d be better to focus resources. | |
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And hand-offs are frowned upon which is really difficult for a 6yr old to remember what code he's playing when running full pelt with the ball. However when they do start to tackle in a year's time they will be the best tacklers on the pitch!
