as an advert for the game on national tv he looked a real mess

silly

Yes, but if you want to be a top team and win something you've got to beat the likes of Leeds and Huddersfield which we haven't so we are not at that level yet. When you look at the way Warrington and Huddersfield are playing at the minute, I can't see us getting past them in the play offs. Also some of the comments regarding St Helens is questionable eg. being a slow side. They are one of the most successful sides in the SL era and we may have risen up the table significantly but have won nothing yet so some people are getting a bit too big for their boots.

Apologies to the posters who wanted to discuss Saints v Rovers