Has got to go, how in 6 seasons have we failed to realise he's not coach material? Yes there's alot more behind the scenes that I'd like to leave as well but this guy is the coach and the results fall on him. Can't stick another bland 'we go again' speech.

Do not know what he can say after that dire performance .

But he will Paul - we got again, we had a plan they boys didn't stick to it (they also ignored him at half time to it would seem).
It cannot be a coincidence that since Watson has returned we've been bang average.

My guess is that Richard Horne will say we were rusty due to not having played for a while. There were times at the start of the season where we looked very disjointed but managed to win by small margins.

We've shown in previous matches that we can be vulnerable against teams you'd imagine we'd be considerably better than - look how London put plenty of points past us when they had 12 men. Our inferior points difference - compared to those around us - also suggests we might not be as good as we think we are.

Whilst our pack still has limitations, I thought we'd looked more solid this season as I believe this has been a perennial weakness under Richard Horne's leadership. The forwards failed to get on top against Midlands and this allowed them into the game.

At one stage yesterday, with penatlies and repeat sets, I reckon we had six sets running, with plenty of those play-the-balls close to the Midlands' line, but we lacked any sort of cutting edge. When Midlands were near our line, they undid us with much greater ease.

The pressure is now on. In Carl Hall's recent video, he said that we usually come strong at the end of a season. It looks as though we're going the other way at the moment. The further down the hill you slip, the harder it becomes to recover.

All isn't lost as I'm sure we're not as bad as the last couple of games have indicated but we must reach peak form again for the play-offs if we're going to have any chance of going up.

If we don't go up, it'll be over to the club to explain why we've failed in our objective yet again.

WHEN we don't up it will be copy and paste what's been said for the last 5 seasons! We must be the most placid, laid back, accepting fans in sports history to put up with all the bullcrap and guff! If club doncaster was actually serious about that 5 year plan would they of sat on their hands whilst witnessing zero progress? Every Carl Hall interview contains the paragraph 'the fans have a big role to play' well Mr Hall the fans have continued to swell your old boys coffers now can we see some accountability for constant failure?

I don't imagine any of us are happy with the current state of affairs. When loyal fans like Wanderer call it a day, that in itself is a sure sign things aren't right.

However, at this particular point in time, we have to stay focussed on what can be done - and that's getting some form back in order to have a chance of going up. Changing coach at this stage of the season isn't going to happen. I'd prefer to save the inquests until the season is over although I fully understand and respect your point of view.

Seasons are coming and going without this happening though, all it takes is a false compassionate statement by our CEO about how unlucky we were and that next season will be different and all is forgiven!

To be honest, if we don't go up this season, I don't see any extenuating circumstances. It's not as though we've had long injury lists or any other bad luck to mention. If we lost in the play-off final again after coming close, that may be put forward as a defence but I'm not sure how many people would feel that was acceptable this time.

My guess would be 'far too many'.

Albert Einstein is credited with a theory which covers that.

Sadly there are more club doncaster ground troopers and brown noses than us realistic die hards! Too many 'supporters' are just glad they have a team to support so the tight old coggers who own club doncaster love the fact we have stagnant fans who will pay up and don't moan. I called Mr Hall out on in the dugout about failures and accountability and he shut the question down and 2wk later it wasn't a thing, does that border on being a dictatorship club???

He only like's prepared and carefully curated questions, Horne has not delivered what he has promissed for 6 years (we been close) but not achieved his goal - if my work performance was only close to meeting my targets I'd currently not have a job especially if I consistantly failed to achieved said goals year on year.

There is little/no connection between Horne and the suppporters he see's us an annoyance and an inconvenience, doesnt give us information or anything that excites about the team. I will be very suprised if there is a post match video from him after yesterday - but to be honest I think every Dons fan who attened deserves an apology from him (as he's ulitimately responsible for on pitch matters).

I was part of the Dons Fans Panel at that time along with Wanderer. Wanderer may remember this too, In the Dugout was pulled by Chief Operating Officer, Shaun Lockwood, not by Carl Hall.

I made several requests for it to be brought back as I felt In The Dugout was an important part of keeping the club and fans connected but it never happened.

Like Mr Roebuck says above their arrogance and ego only allows them to answer pre-scripted soft questions. Your forced to along with everything that's served up without a whimper or any questioning and if you don't you get froze out, it's very much akin to being in a cult.

I'm not sure it's arrogance and ego, I think it's more about controlling the narrative and wanting to permanently market the club in a positive light - reducing criticism and negativity from the equation.

From a marketing perspective, if 8 out of 10 people agree with you, the two dissenters are not going to be seen as allies. They may reduce the people who agree with you down to seven. Marketers believe it is better not to give them a platform. This is the type of world we live in: marketing rules. Businesses everywhere do everything they can to manipulate us.

Off topic, but with regards to marketing, I cannot believe how supermarkets get away with 'members prices' and 'non-members prices'. They're not giving 'members' a genuine discount - although this is what they're trying to portray. Indirectly, they're trying to force people to sign up to their 'schemes' as they make money from selling on our data. I refuse to shop anywhere that operates such poor practices.

Personally, I would rather answer any questions head on and try to bring the two out of ten (referred to above) back onside as I'm old school and believe honesty and openness is the best policy.

I do and I recall your requests but as with much (almost all) of what happened around that time, decisions were made and were non-negotiable, merely presented to the Panel so that the phrase 'discussed with the Fan Panel' could subsequently be used.

A bit like politics DM placation through verbal platitudes. And like politics I've had enough of it.

I cant help but think that there could be a lot riding on the RL format for 2025 and the IMG soundings. Call it what you will with my rambling musings but I am of the belief that given our stadium, the community work and our continuous near miss promotion campaigns, we will end up in the newly formatted Championship section. Thus negating any promotion that may happen this season. Maybe the CEO is aware of this maybe he isn't. Time will tell.

On the game: 'Wasn't a good enough performance' 'they handled the conditions better' On what they will do to rectify things: 'work hard'. Absolutely inspirational words from our egnamic coach! Makes you wanna run through a brick wall for him

The fact that we were given the runaround by a 37-year old who simply knew how to play the conditions begs the question as to what coaching is being done.

When it’s been raining for the best part of two days before the match, surely it’s not beyond the capabilities of anyone that’s ever watched a game to work out some basic tactics.

I’m getting to the point where I’m expecting yet another ‘glorious’ failure in the playoffs this year, followed by the usual hard-luck excuses.

Run by pack of del boys 'next year we will be millionaires' sadly that year never comes and the same people remain.

On odds alone we aren't going up...there are 4 teams playing for 2nd spot and another playing for the top 6...probably North Wales.
And all those sides are roughly equal that are playing for 2nd....
I suspect we will get done at Worky and even get done at North Wales...having to play away to somebody in the play-offs again.
It don't look good...
But of course we can do it....I think it unlikely....
Time will tell...

They are trawling out statistics now to "prove" he's a great coach

I presume this is on Facebook is it, Steve?

I've dug out a few stats, taken from: [urlhttps://www.sofascore.com/tournament/rugby/rugby-league/rfl-championship-1/1586#12604[/url

=#FF0000Champions v Dons
Numbers shown below are: Games played, Won, Drawn, Lost and Points Diff

=#FF0000Champions:
2017 Toronto: 15, 15, 0, 0, +759
2018 York: 26, 24, 0, 2, +822
2019 Whitehaven: 20, 15, 2, 3, +299
2021 Barrow: 17, 13, 1, 3, +321
2022 Keighley: 20, 20, 0, 0, +795
=#0000FFTotal: 98, Win 87 (88%), Drawn 3, Lost 8, Points Diff +2,996

=#FF0000Dons:
2017: 15, 9, 2, 4, +122
2018: 26, 19, 0, 7, +461
2019: 20, 12, 0, 8 +255
2021: 17, 9, 3, 5, +80
2022: 20, 15, 0, 5, +286
=#0000FFTotal: 98, Win 64 (65%), Drawn 5, Lost 29, Points Diff +1,204

The league champions have won 88% of their matches played. We’ve won 65%.

It's interesting to note that none of the last five champions have lost more than 3 games in the season. Dewsbury are likely to achieve this too.

They can twist things, butter it up or just continue to wear the rose tinted glasses facts are facts and he's 6 seasons in the bottom division with zero promotions! The bloke couldn't motivate me to spend a pound in a strip joint but is obviously ideal for the club as he won't break the bank and comes across as the perfect yes man. The cult like brown noses on fleecebook simply don't realise they are equally to blame as much as the hierarchy for their constant adoration and happy clapping with everything club doncaster do!

Yes DM his stats look great without context and with stats (as I am sure you know being a Stat man) context is everything. Do you mind if I "borrow" your workings out and post them on Fleecebook?

Our win rate is poor in comparison to promoted teams and our points diff is terrible in comparison.

K&C Yes they are blind sheep - we should be "happy" to have a club - Carl is Mr Doncaster apparently and we have a coach for who the phrase "I've seen more life in a tramps vest" is an understatement.