The whole SL model is absolute cack. We were sold it on the basis of an improved game, a better international competition and the removal of relegation was touted as a method to stop clubs going bust.

"Supporters will see a better game in better surroundings, and the deal will see their sport receive a greater profile nationally and internationally." Rodney Walker, RL chairman, welcomes the Super League, 5 April 1995.

Since then....

On Expansion and club longevity...

We lost PSG never to return, with the game in Northern France in a worse state now.

Gateshead and Sheffield got shafted to save Hull and Huddersfield, Cumbria alienating many fans in those areas.

Cumbria has been almost shut out, the county with the highest percentage of registered amateurs than anywhere outside Oz.

We haven't had a Super League winner from outside of a 68 mile radius.

I ain't gonna talk about Wales!

Internationally..

The World Cup was postponed in 1998 cos of the Super League upheavals in the UK and Oz.

Murdoch's money means Origin is so financially huge that Australasians nearly all wanna play for the Kangaroos just to play in that game at the expense of their home nations

France has been overloaded with too many Aussies in it's clubs to mount a decide return to international football.

The World cup draw is now fixed to allow the best teams to play each other more and generate more TV money. Try explaining this to a soccer fan and they wet themselves laughing at how pathetic it sounds.

A greater national profile....?

How could this ever possibly be so when the SL games are tucked away on a channel that has only 1% audience share. That's if it's not on Sky Sports Xtra or the red button!

How will this ever change when the League and the richest broadcaster are owned by the same group?

The only things that have improved for me are Summer games and more evening kick-offs, some good rule changes and a few nicer grounds.

Thing is though Super League haven't paid for Widnes' ground .

An one more thing, Bradford n Co signed up for all this like a shot so you can go and boil yer 'eads for all I care for your hillbilly opinions.

Promoted clubs replace their players anyway. I don't really see how this is relevant. We would have a completely different squad in Super League.

Should w1g4n have stayed in SL on the back of 145 point to nil a couple of years ago ?

Widnes like all the Championship clubs don't set the rules , they play to them , if you have a problem ring the RFL

The whole franchise system stinks.

My team (Cas) have averaged an 8th place finish for the 2009 & 2010 super league, yet are the bookies favourites to be booted out of Super League for 2012 with Widnes coming in (whove averaged what, 7th in the championship?). Seeing it like that, surely the most hardened Widnes fan must agree that it defies logic and promotion / relegation would be the fairest possible method to all concerned.

Don't get me wrong, I like Widnes, loved our battles in 2007 but this system needs sorting. What have the likes of Barrow, Fax & Fev got to play for?

We're working within the system. If the system was P & R, our team probably would be too. I don't get this argument. And considering some of the comments we had from cas fans at the time of the last licenses I wont have any sympathy if we replace them. It's all very well and good being positive about a system just because it's benefitting you and then seeing how bad it is for the game only when your threatened. I'd bring back P & R in an instant, but it's not here, and Widnes are the club primed for promotion under what we have. Single results over the three years don't change a damn thing.

And no, we've been nowhere near averaging 7th.

Well maybe in 2012 - 14 we should borrow a sh*t load of players for the NRC and win that. Then we can rip our supporters off and field a truly under achieving pile of =#FF0000removed so we can tick a few other boxes

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You will without a doubt be in SL in 2013 but not through "on field merit". The general overwhelming consensus is that getting into SL through =#FF0000removed off Dickie and his cronies in Huddersfield makes our beloved sport a laughing stock.

Barrow Raiders should THROUGH MERIT be in SL this season and Featherstone Rovers THROUGH MERIT going up next season. Widnes should be wallowing in The Championship until iyour Chairman puts his money into a decent WINNING squad. Bleat on about Des Johnston as much as you like but he hasn't had the luxury of a Council built, RENTED stadium to ease the burden and help finance a Youth setup. What he has done is give the rugby loving people of Barrow a team worth watching. I'd be embarrased to be accepted into SL after having won what is basically a tin cup that only offers a route to SL in order to keep the sponsors happy and add a bit of meaning to it !

You lot on here moan and bitch about player purchases that TOC & Paul Cullen have made but in the next breath are saying that the very same person(s) will buy you a top squad full of Aussies when you get to SL ! Make your minds up.

What is your average position for the last 2 years?

4th/5th.

That my friend is a load of poop !

It doesn't matter send your e mail of complaint to Red Hall

If you drop out , tough , send your e mail of complaint to Red Hall

If you do come down and win the next 3 championship titles but don't get your ground built and don't go back up , send your e mail of complaint to Red Hall

Gary, Ive told others and now I'm telling you, no swearing. Dont'd do it, don't imply it.

Where have we said this? we have said rumours are going around that we will sign 3 or 4 but isn't that expected? When the quota in this league is only 1? obviously the amount of australians will increase when we go to SL.

Well said.

Maybe it is , just as the fact that Widnes don't need to win the Championship GF to go up to SL

Ring the RFL and complain

Not Widness problem

Apologies Chris

Theres one.............would you like me to go on ?

Yeah he will buy Aussies and if he does, probably good ones. No where in that quote did the Widnes fan suggest we would have a team full of them?

If you do/did why should it matter , several clubs including Bradford have had a majority of foreign players in their teams in SL , if that is what it takes and is within the rules you are set , then you will do it

Any complaints should be sent to Red Hall , Leeds

I know but this idiot is under the impression we think our whole team will be made up of Aussies.

Like you said, he should send his complaints to Red Hall or go to the VT.

OMG god surely redeem yourself by telling us that you are actually =#FF0000removed because I can't believe there is anyone as thick as you sound, as if we would take all of this team to play against Saints Wigan etc.





=#FF0000Sorry matey but you can't call someone that. Chris

Name these players that you "know" are coming to you from us & Fax.

I'm not bigging up Barrow or slagging off the franchise system, however where are you going to find the additional £1,200,000.00 to pay for your new team when you are calling for fans to pay for one of your top players wages for next season to keep him?
Just a simple question......

Sky money. simple answer.

So basicaly any team could be competative with the backing of the sky payments...you must be so proud of your great promotion team then, or very greatful of the franchise system......As a fan its not the way I would want to be promoted.