At the end of the day there it's fairly certain you'll get SL. Surely you'd like to see yourselves winning things though. Your kidding yourselves if you think that's good a team you had out on the pitch Sunday.

Erm Fax have won absolutely nothing - Correct ? They have been consistent but have nothing to show for it.

Fev are without question the better team this year and should be going up to SL based on ON FIELD PERFORMANCE - I will not deny that one. League Leaders in the bag and odds on Fav's for the Grand Final.

I will say it again WIDNES WILL BE THE WORST TEAM EVER TO GAIN A SL FRANCHISE AS THEY HAVEN'T WON ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT i.e finished TOP of the league (as Barrow and Fev have) or appeared in a Grand Final (as Barrow and Halifax have). If you want to go on about your NRC win then that puts you about as successful as Batley doesn't it ? I can without question say that based on last season and this season, Barrow are a better team than Widnes even with some very poor performances this year. You have simply played the bumming Redhall game better.

For the record (and have a look back if you can manage it) I have said Halifax have been the most consistent performers for the last 2 years as the tables don't lie but have simply bottled the big games. Widnes have simply not been good enough to deserve a Franchise based on merit.

Maybe had the league been about P&R the Widnes club may have provided its supporters with a team to be proud of...........However hindsight is a wonderful thing !

Enjoy school tomorrow

Is anyone suprised by this reaction? Widnes, Leigh and even Fax having ticked a box as well haven't got too carried away as we know it's all about Franchising!

Yet Barrow come in buy the title (fair play) and now suddenly from them it's a disgarce and should be P&R and Widnes are a joke and





When your SL big get's laughed at why don't you ask Dezzy we he signed Henderson rather than improved the ground? Why did he keep all big names even though tick gone and not get a youth set up running?

Your club is the one's who need to go back to school, as you've made the step up and want to be one of the cool kids but what you've missed is you've had your fly undone the whole time!

We have seen us win things. We won the NRC last season. I agree that our overall performances have fallen short of the standards we would like but, in trying to blooding lot’s of youngsters (too many imo), we are trying to develop the youth structure required for SL. The club is looking at the bigger picture. We are lucky to be in a position to do this. The rest of the league are still going down the old pro route. There is nothing wrong with this, but it only improves one area of a licence application. It is certainly the best way to top the league but, if you want SL, you need to do more than that.

I would love us to win next seasons Grand Final, but it will have little relevance to how we will cope in SL, should we get there. The £300k cap effectively makes this comparison utterly meaningless. What will make the difference in SL is the ability to run at the full cap or, at least, very near to it.


Maybe not but it was good enough to beat you on:
Wed 18th August: Barrow (0) 14 v Widnes (16) 32
Thu 3rd June: Widnes (16) 26 v Barrow (6) 12
Sun 14th February: Widnes (6) 22 v Barrow (1icon_cool.gif 20

We have also had a season badly hit with injuries (the like of which I have never seen before and wouldn’t wish on any team), and a coach going through an unimaginable personal tragedy.

Pepe you are only as good as your last performance mate

The reason Des kept a strong team is because he is obviously a winner and not a Redhall butt kisser !

Leigh ticked the box ? Buy the title ? Did Barrow have a bigger salary cap than anyone else ?

Try again

That's P&R. You do know that this is no longer the route to promotion, don't you?

Things have changed. You need a new arguement.

You're boring, repetitive and wrong.

Selective reading I see! Leigh didn't in the end but they knew 100% focus on doing so wouldn't get them in SL so they also budgeted for other things!

Barrow came up spent hugely on players and it got them the title as I said fair play but you know that won't get you into SL so stop being daft and pretending it will do!

So unless you win GF again you'll admit not near good enough for SL?

You are correct. However things have changed for the worse haven't they ?

You see Dickie and his cronies were supposed to be making the game stronger and stopping clubs going to the wall.

Has their ridiculous master plan worked ? No !

Has England beaten the Aussies ? No were further away than ever !

Have more clubs needed bail outs or gone into administration ? Yes

Have the heartlands been ignored in the name of expansion ? Yes

Sounds like this whole Franchising lark has been a massive success doesn't it ?

This could go on forever. I disagree with the whole kiss Redhall's butt thing but heyho thats how they want it !

Absolutely 100%

I will say again "Barrow should by rights have just had its 1st season in Super League. Fev should be looking forward to theirs"

Simples

As said earlier your two years behind fella! It's pointless debating that talk as we all ate were we are, like it or not!

Peoe said same thing about SL playoffs but now you get no mention of league leaders being real 'champions' etc!

Yeah I agree. This has been flogged to death now.

Enjoy your off season

(sorry had to have one last dig lol)

And your point is?

Because within the context of this discussion, it is pretty meaningless – childish crowing aside, of course.


Yes



And you are blaming Widnes for all this are you?

No. Dickie and his cronies !

But all you are doing is making yourself look foolish.

Then why are you haranguing Widnes fans about it?

I think this topic needs to be locked,as i think you need to go to school.Your on a Widnes forum and nobody agrees with you.You are like a broken record you numpty.

Brilliant that, just brilliant. Well done !

The school line was mine..........get your own !

I know I started this but its deffo time to end this one. Sadly promotion and relegation has gone, current rules there's only one club who deserve to go up and thats Widnes, whether we will or not is still open for debate but the games now moved on and I think so should we.

Good luck to all the remaining teams in the play off's, personally I would like to see Fev win it as they have been the best team in the comp all year.

This makes me laugh.

What most of these numpties don't realise is that if we returned to proper promotion and relegation the situation would be very different. In fact it would massively favour those teams with the best resources and the most money as they would buy the best players and retain full-time squads.

Now let me think, which club have the most money and the best resources in our division?....

The salary cap holds teams like Widnes back in a P & R system and it would be silly to have a system where you promote teams based on results yet with squads costing 1/4 of those that of the league that they would be going up to. The cap is that low that effectively a team with a couple of hundred fans and a semi-rich person could fund a route up to Super League.

This would be real nonsense, so a salary cap and P & R don't go. Without a salary cap and P & R, Widnes would buy their way into SL. With a salary cap and without P & R, Widnes don't top the league but are the best ran club with most youth players in their squad and get into SL that way.

What did London Broncos, Gateshead Thunder or Catalans Dragons win?

Petrololium Sour Grapes.



Ignore these jealous folk, and let them linger down in abyss that is Championship Rugby. We're just lucky that S'OC doesn't have an addiction to Betfred.

Comments like that post are exactly why soome fans of other clubs would like to see widnes fall on their @rses.
It may well end up an abyss....